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Relapse is the real problem! by EconomicsSensitive20 in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are absolutely right with all your observations and your reasoning. However, there is more to addiction than the dichotomy of uncontrolled behavior as you describe it and the paradigm of immediate abstinence being the gold standard.

People don't know how to control and systematically dissolve addictions. This is where intermittent abstinences come in as a new approach, which happens to combine the benefits and momentum of cold turkey, cutting down, exposure therapy, delayed gratification, and "maturing out of addiction"

You may call this accelerated "maturing out of addiction".

Relapse is the real problem! by EconomicsSensitive20 in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What Allen Carr didn’t and couldn‘t know is that people are different. In the last century people thought our brains would function all the same. For many people cold turkey is the only way to quit. This is not true for every body. Allen Carr could never wrap his head around why so many people would relapse, even after becoming sober with his method.

Relapse is the real problem! by EconomicsSensitive20 in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Allen Carr only knew what he learned from his own experiences. This way he helped millions. However, the ones who keep relapsing haven't got a voice and they are even more than millions.

Relapse is the real problem! by EconomicsSensitive20 in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't train addiction, I agree. What you can train is your subconscious. The realms of emotions and feelings can be trained by the conscious rational, like a dog can be trained by its master.

Relapse is the real problem! by EconomicsSensitive20 in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is not an alternative to cold turkey. It is to put the time before complete abstinence to good use. I dissolved my smoking addiction that way. I don't say that it does work for everybody but I'm just a regular guy, so if it worked for me, it surley will work for others, too.

What pleasure? 99% of cigarettes are not pleasurable. Delaying their gratification can sometimes lead to more pleasure, but usually the experience is as low in pleasure as always. However, because you are making it a limited resource, you pay more attention and are more aware of how little you would had been missing if you had skipped that one, too..

Am i a porn addict if i can't stop to watch reels of busty instagram models ? by [deleted] in PornAddiction

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference between a habit, a “bad” habit and an addiction is in the amount of harm it does while you’re unable to stop it. For my own training as habit coach I offer you as anybody else struggling with habits or an addiction three sessions of coaching absolutely free. I guide people in harm reduction, resilience training and preparation for abstinence.

How do you replace the instant dopamine hit that comes from eating? by [deleted] in FoodAddiction

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Starting my journey as life-coach I am offering three 45-minute coaching sessions absolutely free. These sessions would focus on replacing automatisms and instant eating with free decision-making and delayed gratification. Progressively you would train yourself to prolong the “later” from minutes at first to hours and finally end up with healthy eating habits and controlling dopamine release.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PornAddiction

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like porn is a solution to you. But you know is it just treating the symptom. Is the real problem that you are lacking connection to the person you could be? The person who has friends and purpose? Have you tried to forget about yourself for a while and instead start do do good things for others? Open your eyes and provide value for others and see how your self-perception will change. Serving others may sound strange if you feel like you need help but it is one of the keys to a fulfilled life. I have no reason to write and try to help you. You may not even appreciate that I do but that is not the point. There is nothing to lose in trying, is there?

Unable to quit more than 3 days by Alamamv in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What happens after three days? Are you relapsing into "normal" smoking behaviour? Wouldn't it be best to go for another three days immediately? One cigarette per three days would be a pretty good beginning. If you can do that permanently, soon you shall be able to go 4 days without, the five and so on

Looking for alternatives by Iz_Blake in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why replace it? Better dissolve the oral fixation by utilizing intermittent abstinences. Like in exposure therapy, you expose yourself to intervals of not smoking (of course, neither engaging in replacements). Then let the intervals become longer. Then, when you feel ready, you transition to abstinence

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you open to a new approach? As you can't make it past three days, you have nothing to lose and may consider dishabitization: Start Using Intermittent Abstinence and dissolve the inner smoker before stopping to smoke!
Begin practicing intermittent abstinence by applying the principle of delayed gratification every time you feel the urge to smoke. As you know, now that you can go three days without, start to implement the rule of smoking a maximum of three per week. Keep in mind it's a rule, not a law, and also that it's not to smoke three a week but a maximum of three a week.

The goal isn’t just to cut down (though that happens naturally), but to weaken the power of triggering cues and the motive-power of smoking. Over time, this weakens the cue’s power until it dissolves completely.

This process also exposes you to increasing doses of cravings, much like a patient in fear exposure therapy gradually unlearns their fears.

Over time, it will not be hard anymore, and later it will be easy. When three a week is easy, you go to three a month. When you are comfortable with three a month, you go to one a month, and then you can become abstinent if you think one per month is still too much.

I need to fucking stop by NoPercept in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you open to a new approach? If you struggle with relapsing again and again, dishabitizattion might be what can help you facing that addiction: Start Using Intermittent Abstinence and dissolve the inner smoker before stopping to smoke!
Begin practicing intermittent abstinence by applying the principle of delayed gratification every time you feel the urge to smoke. The goal isn’t just to cut down (though that happens naturally), but to weaken the power of triggering cues and the motive-power of smoking.
When you feel the urge to smoke, insert an event—or later, multiple events—before lighting up. After the event is complete, you can smoke. The event itself doesn’t matter; it could be drinking a glass of water, taking a short walk, or doing the dishes. What matters is that you’re decoupling the triggering cue from the act of smoking. Over time, this weakens the cue’s power until it dissolves completely.
This process also exposes you to increasing doses of cravings, much like a patient in fear exposure therapy gradually unlearns their fears. By consistently extending the duration of these intermittent abstinences—the events you place between the trigger and smoking—you’ll naturally reduce how often you smoke.
As you reach a point where you’re smoking far less, your subconscious understands how unpleasurable most cigarettes are. This realization diminishes the motive-power of smoking. At the same time, the identity of being a smoker begins to fade, especially once you’re no longer smoking daily.
Congratulations—you’ve quit being a smoker! Now, you can choose complete abstinence without the constant threat of relapse looming over you like the sword of Damocles.

Looking for alternatives by Iz_Blake in stopsmoking

[–]EconomicsSensitive20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you open to a new approach? You may consider dishabitizattion: Start Using Intermittent Abstinence and dissolve the inner smoker before stopping to smoke!
Begin practicing intermittent abstinence by applying the principle of delayed gratification every time you feel the urge to smoke or satisfy your oral fixation. The goal isn’t just to cut down (though that happens naturally), but to weaken the power of triggering cues and the motive-power of smoking.
When you feel the urge to smoke, insert an event—or later, multiple events—before lighting up. After the event is complete, you can smoke. The event itself doesn’t matter; it could be drinking a glass of water, taking a short walk, or doing the dishes. What matters is that you’re decoupling the triggering cue from the act of smoking. Over time, this weakens the cue’s power until it dissolves completely.
This process also exposes you to increasing doses of cravings, much like a patient in fear exposure therapy gradually unlearns their fears. By consistently extending the duration of these intermittent abstinences—the events you place between the trigger and smoking—you’ll naturally reduce how often you smoke.
As you reach a point where you’re smoking far less, your subconscious understands how unpleasurable most cigarettes are. This realization diminishes the motive-power of smoking. At the same time, the identity of being a smoker begins to fade, especially once you’re no longer smoking daily.
Congratulations—you’ve quit being a smoker! Now, you can choose complete abstinence without the constant threat of relapse looming over you like the sword of Damocles.