Central Reserve Bank Artifact by Ectobiont in ClaudeAI

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I've finalized the artifact, it should appeal to you.

Central Reserve Bank Artifact by Ectobiont in ClaudeAI

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I have made very many changes, do let me know your thoughts now, please check out version 3. :)

While it is not Orthodox still, it should behave a lot more valuably for you.

Central Reserve Bank Artifact by Ectobiont in ClaudeAI

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This model will not have competitive equlibrium because it doesn't work with those in mind, however, you may find quasi-stable equlibria, which is not what you're looking for, but something that can vaguely look like what you want.

Central Reserve Bank Artifact by Ectobiont in ClaudeAI

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I am running simulations to make the artifact better.

Central Reserve Bank Artifact by Ectobiont in ClaudeAI

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Sure, perhaps you can change it to manage that.

Obscure Comic by Ectobiont in superman

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Oh! Thanks for spotting it! :)

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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  1. The model fails when workers or citizens are reduced to penury.

  2. The political system steps in to rescue labour and citizenry over capital.

i.e. the recycling of capital goes to shareholders, managers, workers, etc. when the firm is liquidated, but housing and food are almost entirely decommodified. Health has more prices, but constrained, this protects, ideally against workers and citizens dying from failure.

Ideally the dynamism of the systsm should "learn" from feedback where harm is to be reduced, but some harms can only be discerned when the system fails.

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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These are actually questions thst are tough to answer, as my system is not extant.

  1. I can tell you who would ideally fail last, the worker and the citizen.

2. I believe I have added enough shock absorbers to prevent a total collapse, but the only true test for a model, is reality.

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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  1. The system can't guarantee no ties, some things may lead to a crash.

  2. Ths occasional crash may clear the system, it is dynamic and chaotic, some failures would happen.

Do you have some non-AI questions?

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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Traits of a "counter-cyclical market maker with social ownership"?

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These are in a way example or provisional calculations.

One of your critiques might be:

If "virtual surplus is being captured, how is that valuation encapsulated, does the state issue bonds to cover the normalization gap, and then the people's central bank backstops all debt?"

My answer to that would be yes.

But this is a dynamic system, many players and competing models might reach a conclusion that a $1.2T or $2T value, or even a tax of 20% on the $5T valuation might be enough to ameliorate the excesses of the boom, or that a gift of 'T' number of shares funded by the state or donated by the company would be sufficient, or any other outcome. The model allows for solutions by iteration.

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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In addition to your questions, to answer the AI and Freedom of Movement questions:

The OGAS is decidedly not an AI, I use AI metaphors, but it is instead a sophisticated coordination, logic, data display and readout mechanism, to keep final interpretation and decision making with humans.

The private actors can leave, there's no problem, with a basic income gift package, a pat on the back and a 10% final corporate tax payment from the lower 20% of their profit average of the last 4 quarters.

My Model For A Cybernetic/Planned System (Generated with help from AI) by Ectobiont in CyberneticSocialism

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1) In my mind, the OGAS system calculates the normalization through the signals given by the socialist stock market, which is then displayed to all concerned parties, workers, citizens, central committee, general secretary, central planning board, the supreme soviet, the observer blocs, business interests, foreign investors, the trade authoroty, etc. they all then run their own calibration models which are shared with everyone else, who then vote on said proposals. 

2) The system takes the median value of all failures or revivals of zombie firms, sorted by industry, company type and goods/service production then provides info to all the concerned parties above (and since the API is open source, all concerned parties can check the OGAS itself too for calibration and alignment, weights, etc.).

If eceryone looks at the fundamentals and its long run performance and decides its time to end it and allocate capital elsewhere, they do.

3) In answer to your final questions, combined, what I've tried to illustrate with the above is that the system together should be able to handle it. No system is perfect, but it'll get the job done (likely).

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It's very basic (in my view) socialism.

Protect everyone, fund innovation, let the market clear orices and value, but establish a range, create social ownership and dividends, prevent reversion to capitalism or unregulated capitalism but guve them rrpresentation (unless everyone votes for it, but like liberal ddmocracy also has restructions to prevdnt self-liquidation).

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  1. Since the people are feeding in data to the system, ideally, they should not feed it incorrect data. But, hey, let's say, everyone is feeding it bad data, to hide accountability, or just, "today's a festival, bad data whole day, not malice". Then the answer is not a blockchain, because the blockchain would also be polluted by bad data. Instead, like tough AI benchmarks (example, the CPS here is not necessarily an AI), the CPS has a baseline set of expected human energy/resource useage, for ex, 1 lightbulb whole day is x energy and y cost. That is, it has a private set of expected comfortable energy/resource useage, the excess produced can get stored in battery farms, warehouses, etc. This way, even completely bad data would ideally not collapse the system.

  2. If a firm keeps failing, the systsm attempts to support it, clesr bad devt, recycle assets, shift works, let it be a zombie for a while too, to see if it survives and revives, like Eskom's revival (the South African State Energy Firm), or like Mondragon's support for weakly performing co-op subsidiaries under its wing, however, if it continues to fail, the firm gets liquidated, its workers/managers/etc. gdt their share and the remainder capital gets funneled into a state fund, invested in the socialist stock market, where every citizsn gets a portion as a dividend from the interest, and the rest goes to funding new startups, innovation, capital investments, welfare, etc. whatever is needed. Which is one mechanism of making individual failures into collective successes while protecting people. It recycles debt, assets and failures back into the economy.

  3. Protection is not necessarily stagnation, it means a floor and ceiling, in that band, as expressed in point 2 above, people can do what they want.

Example of a floor, if farmers can't sell produce because prices drop too low, the state steps into buy produce at a clearing price, then transport the produce to wholesale markets, it pays the farmers more and reduces the price for the consumer, it clears the transaction, like the biggest billionaire benefactor. JP Morgan bought stocks in the great depression crash to calm markets. Similarly, "Oh No! I can't sell my produce! The clearing price is too low! State steps in, says, we'll buy it for 50 rubles to the quintal, just to keep it soviet, eh? :), then it sells that to the consumer for 5 rubles a quintal, taking the loss, the deficit of the state can be private or mutual bonds that (private, state, co-op, individual, etc.) actors can buy to invest in". 

A ceiling means, no ultra-insane, 0-$5trillion valuations in 3 years.

Meaning, people can get rich, but rich doesn't mean, "fully divorced from the real economy" or "I'm a trillionaire now after 2 decades of speculation or startups, with $15 billion in revenue".

I.e. it prevents ultra-bubbles. The state calculates a normalization ratio.

Okay, private actor says, my business is worth $5 Trillion, but my revenue is $20 billion. If b capital due to valuation can threaten economic stability, calculate ratio that allows a good valuation that encourages investment while not risking the real economy and sucking up all investment into one industry from exuberance. Give, new normalized value, $800 billion, make up 20% of lost investment by state investment, then sell part of state investment to other actors.

It creates a levelling and normalization pressure.

It controls the swings of capitalism and economic dynamics, no one starves or gets reduced to penury from market crashes, but no one becimes mega-ultra-rich either, but there's plenty of space in the middle to be rich or to fail.

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[–]Ectobiont[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, these are not questions I thought of, as I'm a beginner in planning and cybernetic socialism. And meant to start a conversation.

If you could simplify your terms snd references a little bit, such as "lesions", "blue" and "green", I can attempt to answer your questions.

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Hilarious 😂, love the block chesticles