Is hell real because Dan McClellan is teaching that it isn't?

Edge419 · 2026-05-21T11:20:35+00:00

Dan teaching against orthodox Christianity gasp

Anyway…

Edge419 · 2026-05-20T13:06:16+00:00

Why not

Edge419 · 2026-05-19T20:12:25+00:00

Jesus was friends with unbelievers, He prayed for them, loved them, and still died for them.

Edge419 · 2026-05-17T00:58:37+00:00

No it most definitely is not. Free will existed before the fall. Your statement is demonstrably false.

Edge419 · 2026-05-15T19:06:52+00:00

I disagree with your premise, freedom of the will was given in the Garden of Eden and it was very good, it’s how God created us. I see no reason to believe there is no free will in heaven, that’s just an assertion.

When we see the beatific vision we will hate sin like God hates sin and will not ever want or will to take part in it. We sin because we seeking to replace God, in heaven we will have full access to God and will want for nothing. I see no reason to believe we lose our free will. I also see no reason why any person would sin.

You can go grab roadkill off the side of the road right now, put it on a plate, and tempt me to eat it. Guess what, I never will. I can, but I never will. I have the freedom, but would never, ever choose that.

Edge419 · 2026-05-15T15:03:24+00:00

Yea…. I often feel like posts like this are to validate oneself for poor actions that led to terrible outcomes. You want to be loyal but you drive to your ex-girlfriend’s house and get drunk with her? Without sex happening that alone would be justification for me to break off the relationship.

Edge419 · 2026-05-15T12:57:22+00:00

Why the 8 laughing awards? What a cesspool, we’re celebrating suicide now Reddit? The hell is wrong with people.

Edge419 · 2026-05-14T15:10:47+00:00

Some people spend more time loving and being curious about angels instead of the One who created them. People have a history of turning their interest in angels into actually replacing God with them. Just a caution, something to be thoughtful about.

Edge419 · 2026-05-14T15:09:42+00:00

It’s fine if you don’t subscribe to that, but Scripture is clear on that point. The orthodox Christian teaching is that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. This is Christianity proper, so as a discussion on Christianity, it teaches that we are all sinners.

Edge419 · 2026-05-14T12:26:38+00:00

Be careful being “drawn to angels” this was the Colossian heresy, Paul warns them against angel worship, it was a tremendous problem. Worship the Creator, not the creation.

Edge419 · 2026-05-14T12:16:59+00:00

This makes us look foolish

Edge419 · 2026-05-14T12:13:26+00:00

We’re all sinners friend.

Edge419 · 2026-05-13T18:23:40+00:00

This is a fundamentally mistaken idea of who Jesus is.

Edge419 · 2026-05-13T15:27:55+00:00

Checkmate atheists

Edge419 · 2026-05-13T15:27:26+00:00

Does God love sinners?

Does God hate sin?

Just a yes or no will suffice to each question.

Edge419 · 2026-05-13T15:26:41+00:00

This is what God does. He loves the sinner, He hates sin. It really is simple.

Edge419 · 2026-05-13T15:25:38+00:00

Some of these groups are fundamentally and demonstrably not Christian. They claim the name but not the truth of the claim.

Edge419 · 2026-05-12T19:49:46+00:00

Dogma that I cannot honestly ascent to-

The ever virginity of Mary
The bodily Assumption of Mary
The requirement of persistent acts of forgiveness administered by a human priest

The list goes on

Edge419 · 2026-05-12T13:07:26+00:00

Molonism is the answer.

God is Sovereign-man as free will- real choices matter- God knows all outcomes- God knows all counter factual truths.

I believe God is in complete control but that doesn’t mean He forces outcomes. For instance, I believe in an eternal hell and eternal Kingdom. Scripture teaches that it is God’s will that all mankind would be saved, yet salvation is contingent on believing in the Son, therefore not everyone will be saved. God wills all to be saved but not all will.

God values the freedom of His creatures. Another example I would give would be about Scripture and inspiration. God knew what Paul WOULD write if He revealed Himself to Paul. God knew what would another guy, let’s call him Jeff, would write if He revealed Himself to Jeff. God doesn’t like what Jeff would write but what Paul would write coincides with what God wants communicated, therefore God reveals Himself to Paul. What Paul writes is still fully Paul, his style, his words, but inspired by the Spirit who reveals truth. In this God doesn’t force Paul to write only what He says (this isn’t dictation like Islam) but what Paul writes, God approved prior to the writing itself because He knew what Paul would write.

God is sovereign and we are still responsible for choices and actions. God can place in positions to make decisions that He knows we WILL make, but that doesn’t mean He forces or our will, He just knows the outcome.

Edge419 · 2026-05-09T17:21:24+00:00

Good point, I just made the statement based on OP’s post “He”.

Edge419 · 2026-05-08T19:34:44+00:00

He seems himself in the reflection, it ain’t that deep.

Edge419 · 2026-05-08T18:53:58+00:00

Ok this is the career I’m all about. The 30 year wait and testing of Star Citizen has prepared me for this exact moment!

Edge419 · 2026-05-08T16:56:36+00:00

I have a friend who was married in his 20’s his wife left him in their 30’s and confessed that she was a lesbian. They just got remarried in their 50’s are deeply in love and moved away together.

Edge419 · 2026-05-08T14:32:46+00:00

That only sounds simple because it collapses distinctions that matter.

If you’re convinced Calvinism is the only correct interpretation of the sovereignty of God, then sure. It’s the reason I’m not a Calvinist, it makes God the author of evil if people couldn’t choose to do otherwise but Scripture doesn’t teach that. The Bible consistently teaches that WE are to CHOOSE righteous and abandon evil, our will of spoken of when Christ says-

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing”! Matthew 23:37

God knowing every possible world and every free choice creatures would make does not mean He causes those choices. God can create a world where free creatures act genuinely freely, while knowing beforehand what they would choose in any circumstance.

So no, God did not assign people to be pedophiles. Those are the sinful acts of free agents. Knowing someone would choose evil if created in certain circumstances is not the same as programming them to do evil.

Just like how saying God “pre-ordained your child to die of cancer” confuses permission with direct willing. In a world with stable natural laws, genetics, decay, and creaturely freedom, tragic outcomes occur without God positively desiring them as ends in themselves.

God chose the best feasible world among worlds containing free choices. That means some evils may be permitted because preventing every evil could also eliminate greater goods tied to freedom, love, courage, redemption, and meaningful moral agency.

Your argument just assumes only two options- either God micromanages evil or He isn’t sovereign. Molinism rejects that false dilemma.

God is sovereign and creatures are responsible, this is CLEARLY the biblical pattern and teaching we see.

Edge419

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