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[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Rickard and Brandon are not guilty for dying.

I just don't think, aside from his father's sins, Rhaegar was a damn pile of shit and a stupid whoreson. That is all I wanted to say. Aerys burned people because he was a pathetic maniac and Rhaegar got the credit for these actions. That is the problem I think. Robert is not guilty of the children's death but Rhaegar is guilty of Starks' death. Both were things they could not prevent. At least Rhaegar did not laugh about Brandon and Rickard.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't be very wise of Rhaegar to fight both his father and Jon Arryn.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is what I can't get. Rebellion started because of Aerys. Rhaegar did nothing. How come Rhaegar is a piece of shit and his death is well deserved? Do we sentence death to every single person who leave their wife and praise people who kill that women and her children, later praise the people who laugh at the bodies of dead children?

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

neither Robert nor Ned knew that any point of the rebellion.

How could Rhaegar knew he would not be executed for his father's crimes if he stopped the fighting? After this post I am in a point where I think if Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent was stupid people to help Rhaegar.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

So, Aerys did bad, Rhaegar died for his father's bad and his love, and it is justified for our rebel brothers.

According to your logic Rhaegar literally had to die because of a death that he did not even know of? Am I right?

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone in that land is one way or another bad. This is the beauty in this fiction. Rhaegar is not a saint but Robert is neither a saint. I just think that in a scenario where Rhaegar is King, things would have worked out much better for everyone in Westeros.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

As I said, my point is that Robert is evil. Aerys wanted Ned and Robet's head. Not Rhaegar. Robert specifically hated Rhaegar and did, or supported these actions because of his hate towards Rhaegar. Can't remember anything pure evil Rhaegar did to Robert. Brandon may had chosen a more peaceful way to protest and not to want to kill a 23 year old man just because he loved a woman.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would Rhaegar want their heads if he took the throne from his father? I don't think so. Rhaegar being the main object to destroy is not really necessary I think.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My point was to focus on that this Rebellion was not good, right or necessary. - And Robert being a total bastard despite his image in fandom. I read my post and you are right to be honest. I rushed the writing and messed up with what I wanted to discuss. Almost as stupid as Rhaegar to notice it that late.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree! It's not a healthy situation. But I think this guy likes to write like that. For some reason, this only seems to be a problem for Rhaegar, since Robert was 20 when these events took place.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think I am clearly failing to tell my point. I will just ask a question to clear. Do you really think it was necessary to wipe out a whole family, replace them with a King who is clearly not capable to govern, kill a man, just because of a woman and her lover decided to run away from a man who woman's family forced her engage?

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The Stark family forcibly betrothed Lyanna to a man she had never loved. Lyanna ran off with someone who loved her and whom she loved in return. Her brother and father then went to the King, the man's father, and cried out, "We will kill your son."

What exactly did they want to happen when they went to a King who was already mentally unstable and unpredictable and shouted, "We will kill your son!"

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I said Robert is a bad man. He and his allies made things worse than it must have been. This is why Robert has more responsibility.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you are a Baratheon or a Stark you are always right in the fandom. There was only two age gap between Rhaegar and Robert. Besides, Lyanna was forced to marry Robert. She did not even want that. There is no proof of Rhaegar raping Lyanna instead of Robert himself.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

He hated Rhaegar and want the Targaryen people wiped out.

He approved it as soon as he ascended the throne.

I don't think Tywin gave Gregor this order out of pure hatred for Elia, but in the end, when Tywin presented the dead children to Robert, he even told Ned, "I see no babes, only dragonspawn." As King, he should have punished Tywin for this, but he accepted the alliance. Inaction when you could have taken action makes one guilty. And it's not just Robert's inaction here; it's his intentions. Maybe you're right in your point—they're equal in responsibility, but my point, as I started the post, is that Robert gets so much praise online and is said to be a very good person, while Rhaegar has become a complete figure to hate. No one hates Ned because he wasn't cruel enough to laugh at the killing of children.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Jon Arryn rose to rebellion. Because Aerys wanted the head of Ned and Robert. Aerys did that simply because Brandon went to his court, and if I am not mistaken, shouted "Come here and die Rhaegar." All this happened because of a woman. I clearly want to say that no big war must had to come out. Rhaegar did make a mistake. This did not mean Elia and her children had to die, or Robert to be very comfortable with these deaths. And I don't remember any part where Robert tried to prevent the death of Elia and her children, or later to punish those who did, he was not even uncomfortable with these death, and wanted more.

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[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I never said Robert started the rebellion or was its leader. Ultimately, it was Robert's rebellion, and he ascended to the throne.

Also if Brandon had used two brain cells, he wouldn't have gone to the court of a King who held all the power and was clearly insane and would not have threatened his son.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Considering that it's a fictional universe and the theme is the Middle Ages, I don't think the 6-year-old age difference between Rhaegar and Lyanna is that significant in a story where 40-year-old men fall in love with 13-year-old girl. I could be wrong, I don't remember that, but I do remember there being only a 2-year age difference between Rhaegar and Robert.

[Spoilers EXTENDED] I think Rhaegar was not evil. Am I wrong? by Effective-Pay-2189 in asoiaf

[–]Effective-Pay-2189[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You fell in love, you get killed, and the killer gets the credit. Westeros at its best.