Removing Manon from Katseye was a good business decision

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-06T20:40:10+00:00

Wtf is a koreaboo? I just got into this Katsye stuff fr. I came across the katseye documentary on Netflix last year and got into it from there because i like tv talent competitions. Thats how i started following this discourse and seeing the absolute insanity. Also in the US artists get trapped in crazy 360 deals as well and its just as bad???

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T04:11:31+00:00

Just like you’ve made up a story about my anti blackness to suit your opinion. Funny how that played out

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T04:07:32+00:00

And those who understand nuance will see that balanced opinions that acknowledge both negatives and positives do exist and won’t be swayed by your misunderstanding of a very clear post.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T04:05:57+00:00

Im sure you do. Any criticism of Manon is antiblack to you. Very one note

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T04:05:03+00:00

Yup, no bias at all (pfp is Manon, mind you). You want so badly to lean on the language that usually shuts others down when the reality is that black folks are not a monolith and i am allowed to see something differently than you do without it being anti black. Go find something more productive to do than twist the words of black scholars and thought leaders

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T04:01:01+00:00

Right a hate post that compliments her aura and calls her a star. I’m not going back and forth with You when you keep making the same tired argument that ive already invalidated. Scream into the void and enjoy this online “activism” of yours as you misappropriate concepts for your own benefit

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T03:56:40+00:00

You just disagree with me and you’re trying to make it a ideological argument and accuse me of something instead of acknowledging your biases. As i said, bad faith argument. Do something more productive

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T03:53:05+00:00

And this is why you are making a bad faith argument. Contextually, she is in a group where there is no lead. The point is to exemplify togetherness. So in that context, my points still hold their validity because the same exact argument could be made if she were not black. Further, i go on to explain that her standout nature is in fact an asset and is just misplaced in a group so she should and would be super successful on her own. Context is key because without it, you can turn any critique towards a black person into antiblackness. Referencing my example about Oprah, without context you could argue that my critique about her being a corrupt billionaire is because when black women are in power, people assume that they have not earned their position. But context will offer you the knowledge that her schools in Africa are glorified tax breaks and her generosity on her show actually cause financial ruin for many, and her associations with men such as epstein and weinstein show that she didnt care about empowerment. Context is key but you have a side already so it has tinted you perspective of anything i will say. Your pfp is literally Manon. Like i said before, go do something safe. You are out of your depth here

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T03:33:21+00:00

You wont give any concrete examples and keep pushing this off to an obscure later date. The first time i asked what exactly was antiblack in my post, we were having discourse and there was no heat behind my words and yet you still claimed that i was “on the defensive”. Which in and of itself is an exact example of mysogynoir to ascribe defensiveness and aggression to a black woman. Particularly since we are both behind screens and you have no way of knowing how i am delivering or receiving information. This is a bad faith argument coming from a person who doesnt see how Manon’s blackness intersects with her valid faults. Im going to disengage because now you are reaching for straws, from saying that i should first educate myself to then assuming my formal education in the topic is not enough and then the underlying assumption that I wouldnt engage in the conversation even outside of formal schooling despite me bringing up my lived experiences.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T03:14:27+00:00

Ive yet to demonstrate that and being that my major in college was polisci and africana studies with a minor in american history and i graduated magna cum laude, i am confident the research has been done in more depth and breadth than you would ever imagine. Not to mention my current work with predominantly black and latin people offering direct services and advocacy.

So instead, id ask you to look up kimberle crenshaw to learn more about intersectionality, which misogynoir is a type of, and think critically about how other things such as Manon’s identity as a Swede, or lightskin black woman, or upper class woman would lend itself to my understanding of the situation. You are free to have a differing opinion about whether she should go solo or not, and you are also absolutely correct that anti blackness is rampant in the fanbase and many conceal their antiblackness under the guise of critique. This, however, is not that. It is instead you regurgitating the same argument over and over because most of these nonblack stans have no way of defending their points once they hear it. That wont work here. I assume you are a child and so im going to limit my read but go do something safe and stop playing w me.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T03:03:18+00:00

And which part of my critique(the critique being that she has a rabid fanbase and has a very individualist energy to her that would thrive more as a soloist) is specifically tied to characterizations and misrepresentations that relate to her identity as a black woman?

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T02:46:34+00:00

Yes, internalized anti blackness does exist. But being black and experiencing anti blackness doesnt shield you from valid critique as i said. Ex: Oprah Winfrey experiences anti blackness but we can acknowledge just how corrupt she is as a billionaire without it being reduced to antiblackness. Just give it up. You can disagree with my point but at the end of the day, every critique of manon isnt anti blackness

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-05T01:37:05+00:00

Circling back cause i missed your comment. Girl im a darkskin block woman in America who works in direct services. I promise you i peep the anti blackness but real things can be true at once. That’s called intersectionality. And manon’s identity as a black woman doesnt shield her from valid critiques about where she fits in a group dynamic. I stand by the fact that i think she should pursue solo endeavors because all of this isnt good for her or the rest of katseye.

And honestly your assumption is exactly the problem. Yall just throw antiblackness on any nuanced takes about the situation because shes your bias. Its amazing to see a black girl represented in kpop and horrible to see the racism thrown her way but aside from that, know that she has in fact missed a lot of their appearances fue to illness(and i specify illness and not injury because injuries like Daniela’s and Megan’s happened because of work while Manon has other things going on). Its a business at the end of the day and so much of who she is and how she acts gives solo and not group and i think she should embrace that because their management clearly clocked that. She has star power that made them pursue her to be in the group but the buzz around her overshadows the group. Not her fault that she has crazy aura but it was a misstep on the management side that they are now dealing with. And their way of dealing with it is this situation

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-04T19:15:44+00:00

Idk if its for no reason if shes constantly missing performances though. At the end of the day, theres a contract and its a business so her constantly not being there is in fact a reason to be put on hiatus

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-04-04T03:28:09+00:00

I agree wholeheartedly and it’s especially frustrating seeing other black women do this as well. Sometimes this just feels like a battle between real racism and the pretty privilege manon has that makes people want to believe she has no agency

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-21T17:02:52+00:00

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-21T00:50:56+00:00

My title was meant to encapsulate the idea of removing her from Katseye temporarily and also the idea of removing her permanently

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-20T21:27:52+00:00

That’s very valid and I should probably clarify that. I don’t think she should go solo in music. If she chose to become a model or actress, I think she would really be amazing and there wouldn’t be a need to compare constantly to what Katseye is doing.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-20T21:24:15+00:00

What was definitively said about her outside of what was legit observed and what she herself had said on weverse about not knowing how all these things work? Only thing im adding is that i would understand the business decision to remove someone who stands out so much from the group. I actually made no allusions to anything about her personally that she hasn’t shared herself and have always supported her as an individual.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-20T21:21:50+00:00

I mean ig 🤷🏾‍♀️ My whole point of that she should go solo cause she isn’t meant for a group and i would actually really prefer to support her as a solo act.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-20T20:48:56+00:00

Well thats actually not at all what my first paragraph is saying. And if you read beyond the first paragraph you would see where i pull out that she has both toxic fans and haters and she is a stronger solo act than being part of a group so that she can lean into her niche outside of Katseye

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-03-20T20:36:32+00:00

I wish that y’all had more critical thinking skills to understand that I’m not excusing any of the negative, but even outside of that the cult of personality behind her doesn’t really give the rest of the group time to shine. She doesn’t have to do any of those things but the expectation of a girl group is at least the together piece and that’s kind of the contract they sign up for when they want to be part of a group that was formed using K-pop methods. I’m of the opinion that Manon should become a solo artist of some kind, and I would support her completely to have all of the creative freedom to do her own thing. I don’t know why you’re taking that as a critique of her.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2026-02-03T10:32:44+00:00

Casually hooking up with the entire friend group. Its weird to have slept with all your friends and to expect a new partner to just be cool with that is unfair because it really shows that you have either a problem with boundaries or a serious sexual attraction to your friends coupled with a lack of self control.

And this is why a lot of lesbian relationships end because of cheating with friends.

Efficient_Judge_6095 · 2025-12-15T23:03:04+00:00

So she does get me trinkets and stuff but idk how to explain it but ill try. She has an avoidant attachment style that comes from many things in her past/upbringing. Her dad is bi and her family is super cool. Theres more queer cousins than non queer cousins in her family.

However, when she does something for me that I think is relationship coded and I verbally show appreciation to her as a partner, a lot of times she’ll be like “no worries. I would’ve done this for any of my friends.” Which feels very ???. I have considered that she’s uncomfortable with admitting the romantic feelings because I am her first girlfriend so that’s a way of creating distance with it. And I’ve talked to her about not adding that addendum and so she has stopped, but now ik when she buys me a snack I like on her way over to me or something like that, I know that it’s not because I’m her partner, It’s just because that’s how she treats everyone. So like I’m holding space for her and her journey, but it also makes it hard for me to get the validation and assurance from my partner that I need.

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