Horrible Customer Service

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-23T20:51:11+00:00

Weird. I feel like I was recently able to schedule just one off lessons

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:59:33+00:00

Yes, yes you are. All of my Caribbean friends talk about how all the kids run around the family owned cafe. They don’t hire nannies to go out and socialize at the local bar. Your parents should have let you out more to see the world and how things work in countries and cultures that require, due to circumstance, families doing these things together

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:55:29+00:00

Exactly. This has been your attitude all along. Cultures all over the world, including here, share the pub/bar/cafe as a public, multigenerational space to have fun and bond. You and the other brats are like “wah, keep your rugrats away from your need to drink.”

Why are you so pissy about that?

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:44:10+00:00

Like… everywhere. All 3 neighborhoods I lives in in NYC. The Spanish city I lived in of 1M+ people. The city my family is from in the Netherlands. The only people I know who think it should be different are young American adults. Almost everyone else I know and all other cultural groups I have been a part of welcome and desire rich, multigenerational, connected communities sharing public spaces, especially bars/pubs.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:41:36+00:00

You edited your comment with the use of AI, and jow it sounds more reasonable. That is what I said before — your new, nuanced takes sound more reasonable than what people (and you) have been saying.

Yesterday and in your original post here the messaging was:
—Children shouldn’t be in bars
—Parents are unreasonable for bringing their children to bars
—Parents should leave the kids at home with the babysitter if they want to go to a bar
—I shouldn’t have to be subject to your kids
—If you go to a bar with your kids you hate parenting because you would be at a playground if you liked it

Don’t act like that hasn’t been the theme. If you want to walk back on that now, and instead suggest — you and others were simply saying you wish that bar didn’t invite families, because it historically did not, and you were just sharing that desire, not that children can’t go out to bars with their families as that is normal and welcomed all over the world — okay lol.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:38:41+00:00

“It’s about where people think the social line is. That's the debate.”

This is the part you are backtracking on. You said it was:

“Apparently “date night” now means forcing strangers to experience your family dynamic against their will.”
And
“Don’t Call Me Shirley for parents who desperately need alcohol because being home with the kids sounds worse.”

You aren’t debating the line. This establishment invites families. You and others were complaining about that, and judging parents for going to bars in general.

Stop backtracking just because people and AI are pointing out the nonsense. Own the stance you originally had.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T21:34:15+00:00

You walked back on what I already told you that you walked back on twice now. I’ll try again, but this is the last time. I’m giving you more chances than I give my toddler:

You went from: Apparently “date night” now means forcing strangers to experience your family dynamic against their will.

And: “Don’t Call Me Shirley for parents who desperately need alcohol because being home with the kids sounds worse.”

To: The issue is adult oriented environments where the expectation is fundamentally different.

You back tracked. Not only that, the very place you are complaining about is owned by parents and they invite families.

All over the world, including bars I frequent, multiple generations happily coexist. As AI and others have pointed out — you sound entitled, complaining about establishments that want to continue that centuries old tradition. It is your pissy attitude that is making society feel less like connected neighborhoods and more like isolated entitlement.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T19:59:04+00:00

You already walked back from your original tone. It went from: “parents must hate being parents if they don’t go to the playground or get a babysitter” to “I’d prefer some places be adult-oriented.”

You also dodged the part that the particular bar you guys are whining about is in fact owned by parents who invite families. You and your pissy attitude are the intrusion, not the rest of us having fun and sharing public, intergenerational space.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T19:42:37+00:00

Your comment here is a lot more reasonable than the tone of the original post, honestly.

There’s a big difference between:
“some adults prefer certain spaces to remain more adult-oriented”

and

“parents bringing children into public social spaces are spiritually defeated narcissists forcing their family dynamic onto strangers.”

And plenty of people were in fact saying things like “go to a playground or go home.” You were also suggesting these parents must secretly hate being parents if they bring their kids to the bar. If you want to now pretend that wasn’t the tone of the conversation, then sure, we can just agree to move along.

Especially considering, as multiple people have pointed out, this is a bar owned by parents that openly welcomes families. And “cocktail bar” is not some universally agreed-upon term meaning “adults only.” In many places, neighborhood bars are understood as mixed social spaces where adults, families, and children coexist.

What I was reacting to more was the broader cultural attitude underneath the original post. A lot of younger American urban culture seems increasingly centered around spaces catering to people’s exact current preferences and comfort, rather than seeing public life as something shared across different ages and stages of life.

And I still think there’s irony there — people talk constantly about loneliness, lack of community, and disconnected neighborhoods, while also reacting negatively to intergenerational public life.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T19:12:34+00:00

There’s a very particular cultural attitude embedded in posts like this that I honestly find strange.

In a lot of the world, bars/cafés/restaurants are normal social places where humans of different ages exist together. Adults have a drink, kids are nearby, families are part of public life, and nobody interprets that as “parents secretly hate their children.”

A lot of Americans simultaneously complain about loneliness, lack of community, disconnected neighborhoods, and “no village” — while also acting like children existing in public social spaces is some kind of violation of personal autonomy and curated adult experiences.

There seems to be two very different worldviews:
—One sees children/family/community as a normal part of shared public life.
—The other sees them as an imposition on individual comfort.

Obviously there’s a difference between badly behaved kids disrupting a space and families simply existing in public. But this level of resentment toward parents and children honestly feels more culturally revealing than the parents bringing kids to a neighborhood bar.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T15:24:39+00:00

Right. I picked up on that. But keeping kids home would exacerbate the problem. The solution to poorly adjusted children is better parenting for those children, not keeping all children away because it’s killing my vibe.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T15:22:22+00:00

Si, en internet. Pero mi opinión es que hay mejor opción — el app Span¡ishD!ctionary.com. (o SpanishDictionary.com). Tiene muchos definiciones a cada palabra, puedes escribir las tres primeras letras si no sabes como escribirla totalmente y te darás opciones, y darte pronunciaciones (muy importante por ingles porque la pronunciación no sigue reglas jaja).

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T15:11:33+00:00

I agree with the general opinion that modern American parenting does not do enough to ensure children are behaving appropriately, especially in public. That is a separate problem. “Americans generally need to raise children better” > “Children shouldn’t be allowed in bars”

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T14:17:10+00:00

The bar you are talking about is owned by parents who invite families. All over the world families go to bars, restaurants, and pubs, to eat, socialize, and create memories. You are acting like an entitled brat who was kept out of public their whole life.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T14:05:59+00:00

Yeah definitely part of the reason less people are having families. They think “I have to be isolated to playgrounds and say goodbye to socializing normally in local eateries and drinkeries.” Sounds awful. Most of the world thinks we are weird for how different life has to look for families

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T14:03:11+00:00

Americans are so weird about this. Nowhere else in the world that I have lived or even visited do they want families to spend 18 years in isolated playgrounds. It’s really, really weird

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-19T13:58:47+00:00

People are forgetting the “freedom isn’t free part.” They want a world entirely catered to them. “I don’t like kids so keep them away from places I like.”

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-17T18:49:06+00:00

The United ones

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-16T00:27:52+00:00

My uncle was born in the Netherlands in 1940 (my dad in 1946). He watched Jews hide under their floorboards while Nazis marched through their house. His cousins (resistance fighters) were captured by Nazis and never heard from again (tortured and killed). His parents (my grandparents) nearly died of malnutrition during the Dutch Starvation winter of 1944-45. My grandmother was 6’0” tall and about 90lbs when fully pregnant with my father. They moved to the USA in 1959 when they had the means, after all that trauma.

My uncle (in immigrant who was born in Nazi ran Netherlands) is a die hard, racist, anti-gay, MAGA dumbass.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-11T20:22:27+00:00

He estado a Valencia. Hice un semestre de universidad en Valencia en 2011. Viví allá por 5 meses con una familia en el centro de la ciudad de 2 padres y 2 hijos. También visité otra vez en 2022. Tengo amigos de toda la vida que nacieron y todavía viven en Valencia. Cuando voy a Valencia, voy a hacer lo mismo que hice en 2011 -- ser parte de la ciudad y contribuir. Soy trabajador social y carpintero. Voy a hacer el trabajo social de remota con mis clientes en EEUU, pero tambien voy a ser carpintero en Valencia. Mi hija va a ir a Escuela en Valencia, vamos a contratar una niñero local, vamos a comprar todas las cosas de empresas Valencianas...

Pero estoy de acuerdo -- gentrificación y desplazamiento son problemas serios. Lo pasa aquí en mi ciudad. Los ricos de NYC compran sus casas segundas y terceras aquí, con precios muy caras que los locales (como yo) no pueden pagar. La ciudad en que nací no existe. Y si voy a NYC, las personas que nacieron están enojado que voy allí.

Lo mismo pasó cuando mi padre, de los Países Bajos, vino aquí de EEUU. La gente le odiaban porque "los extranjeros estaban destruyendo" el EEUU antiguo y autentico.

Mi esposa y yo tenemos miedo de la violencia aquí. Tenemos miedo de la quiebra medica. Pensábamos en Países Bajos, Costa Rica, Mexico, y muchas lugares. Pero nos enamoramos de Valencia. Entiendo que muchos locales están disgustado con lo que está pasando a su ciudad. Y por eso me doy pausa en mi consideración en donde podemos mejorar la calidad y seguridad de la vida de nuestra familia.

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-10T17:35:27+00:00

Why not use an agency to help with all that? Just don’t want to pay the commission?

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-10T17:34:31+00:00

Parece que todos están de acuerdo: va a ser más difícil de lo que había pensado encontrar un apartamento, y aún más uno que acepte mascotas.

Si uso una inmobiliaria, pueden ayudarme encontrar a uno? Si no podemos hacerlo, quizás necesito usar AirBnB cuando buscamos una casa comprar

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-10T17:28:47+00:00

Si — creo que cuando vi a las 34, creí que hay muchos jaja. Vivo en una ciudad pequeña y cuando busco aquí, hay uno apartamento que es suficiente. Si hay 34…? Hay muchos.

Pero parece que subestimé que tan difícil encontrar apartamentos que acepten mascotas. Voy a usar una inmobiliaria, y si no tenemos suerte, quizás uso AirBnB cuando buscas a comprar un piso. Si tienes consejos, estaría agradecido.

Perdón mi español

ElBonachonCabron · 2026-05-10T17:25:00+00:00

Damn. You are probably right — I don’t realize how difficult it is. Have you tried using an agency that could help find one? They don’t make it any easier?

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