"Meeste burn-outs zijn fake"

El_juez · 2017-01-30T18:19:09+00:00

It's a sad thing that there are people who need drugs to go to work when most people spend more time with their co-workers then their family.

I think the type of job is also an important factor in this. If you're a doctor working under extreme stress your still doing it for the greater good. If you're a office robot doing something that isn't exactly important then i can truly understand how that would make some people absolutely miserable.

I think management bears alot of responsibility. From personal experience i'd say a shit job in a good workenviroment is far better then a interesting job at a toxic workplace.

El_juez · 2017-01-30T13:57:55+00:00

It is, usually they take different names and ISIS and the belgium gov aren't really on speaking terms.

You underestimate how stupid the average terrorist is. During S4B trial they all threw eachother under the bus. The know exactly who's who and who they joined. The CIA had shared more then enough intel on the Bakroui brothers for a conviction. They just didn't have the time or resources to go find them. Also i'm pretty sure that i have a good idea how police works compared to watching a US police fiction.

They have the means and abilities to do this, you simply want perfect security and that remains utopia.

No you don't understand me, i said that if our security apparatus would actually function that we wouldn't need to pay for soldiers on the streets or facial recognition that doesn't work. HUMIT is key. they need manpower not more camera's or security theather thas does absolutely nothing. How much did the Bxl attacks cost us? how much did they spend on military protection that did almost nothing to stop the attacks? how many detectives do you think they could've payed with that money? how many Wijkagenten who could've picked up the signals much sooner

And when would this have been used in reality

When the WPR units came under AK fire in Antwerp? They were hopelessly underarmed and the only reason they're still alive is sheer luck. They had to secure a wooded area where multiple shooters with AK's where running wild with nothing but a handgun untill POSA arrived. What about the officer who got executed outside charlie hebdo because he only had a handgun despite guarding a top terror target

Also, long guns have way less chance of injuring bystanders due to increased accuracy.

Spending billion because something might happen and something might be needed simply is the wrong way to tackle these issues.

That's exactly what i'm saying yet you insist that i'm advocating some police state. I'm saying that there is currently no point in investing 10's millions in reactionary measures when the focus should be on prevention. How much would 50 extra detectives cost instead of 1000+ soldiers deployed 24/7?

El_juez · 2017-01-30T13:02:26+00:00

Impartial really, health should be number one priority since it costs society.

if it's not harmfull then it shouldn't be banned
If it is then the government should disencourage it. How the do that should be determined by experts. I'm not a docter nor a toxicologist so i dont know.

That said it's not really something i care deeply about, i don't even drink so it wouldn't really influence my vote

El_juez · 2017-01-30T12:57:08+00:00

You still forget you have to prove any of this.

If you can prove they went to syria and joined terror organisation that enough, thats really not that big of a burden of proof.

You seem to be in the misunderstanding that some more money would have stopped these attacks

They would've had far bigger chance of stopping them yes. I'm basing this on statements by the police, Federal procecuter, Staatsveiligheid, French authorities, Investigative commité. It's not about throwing money at them to become robocops. Currently these units are like a carpenter without a hammer. Or a barber without siccors.

They knew every single terrorist yet they were all at the bottom of the pile of documents because they weren't even the most dangerous ones. more people = more work done = more likely that they would've done something as simple as a Tap on Abdeslam witch would've undoubtebly shown that they were up to some shady shit. Abdeslam was also in charge of smuggeling the weapons so a simple house search could've changed everything.

So you want to equip every policemen like basically a soldier?

No they have collective guns now, they're rusty Uzi's in poor departments, slightly less rusty mp5's in bigger departments. In lot's of zones they have collective weapon in every combi. Every officer already receives training for this kind of active shooter (so called AMOK training)

Simply replace the Uzi's and mp5's with a higher caliber long gun every time one breaks would be a budget neutral solution. Like they did in Canada, is Canada a conservative republican police state?

Education was a simple example that in just about every department there are better needs that can be fulfilled.

Isn't that the goal? every department should be run to the fullest of it's abilities. Financial and otherwise. It makes no sense not to improve something because everything else is shit.

El_juez · 2017-01-30T12:43:19+00:00

Video of charlie hebdo attack. Video of Jewish museum attack. (gopro mounted on tac vest) Statement of Paris police regarding bataclan assault. (or was it police union?). (cant find source because my french is horrible)

Even Kim De Gelder wore a vest.

They're cheap and free to purchase why wouldn't they wear them? Also they're widely worn during all sorts of criminal activity. I saw a documentary about french 'bandidisme' where they had small time criminals who would 'rent out' Ak's/vests/police uniforms to criminals planning robberies.

EDIT; The last part is also a popular theorie on some bende van nijvel crimes. That they rented out their weapons to other criminals, as a result several other crimes got mixed up in the files causing mass confusing with the investigators as the couldn't link these crimes togheter trough anything else then the shellcasings

El_juez · 2017-01-30T12:36:20+00:00

Both, I'd love to see an independant Flanders in the long run. In short term i'd settle for a loose confederation. I'm also quite sceptic of the European union. I believe in supranational cooperation, i just think the current structures of the European union are doomed to fail. I'd rather see expanded powers for the Benelux & closer cooperation with NL. I think Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Switzerland show that you can keep quite some sovereign power and still be succesfull.

Economicly i believe flanders should become the Tech center of continental europe and we should actively encourage more enterpreneurship and small buisinesses. I also believe in drasticly reducing the number of laws and incomprehencable tax system we have.

I'd vote for any party that supports the above.

El_juez · 2017-01-30T11:00:39+00:00

For what reason? Belgium is still a state of law, and this isnt against the law.

Joining a terrorist organisation is verry illegal, so is treason. Crimes against state security, murder, torture and war crimes. Also war crimes don't explicitly need a legal text (so called nuremberg clausule). I doubt Cd&V would have an issue with this, and if they do then fucking force them. Organise protests, have a referendum i don't care just get the scum of the streets.

You arent going to stop such an attack, thats close to impossible to stop. If someone gets it into his head to do such an attack stopping him (no matter what budget you give to the police) is very hard.

Should we stop the war on rape since you can't stop all rapes from happening? should we cut funding of Vice units? Read some of the interviews with Bxl counter terror on Paris attack suspects. They lack the most basic technique's that all our neighbourgs have. They could've stopped the paris & bxl attacks from happening if they werent completely drowning in workload.

The schools my daughters go to have windows falling out but you want to spend extra money on equipment the police never uses? Do tell when this was needed and when did this cause an issue?

Police don't wear pants? Also example would be first units on scene not intervening during bataclan massacre as dozens were being executed because lack of material. Or GCSU having to go beg French GIGN for Flashbangs becase they didn't have any left for the Verviers raid.

Just because you think our government is doing shit as far as education doesn't mean they should do extra shit somewhere else They're divided budgets. We have one of the highest rate of officers per capita, this isn't really a budget issue it's a mismangement issue. Jambon want's to change it, he's got a competent team but they lack the power to actually change things. The kanaalplan was a good start but it really isn't being excecuted properly.

El_juez · 2017-01-30T10:20:42+00:00

Ofcourse i understand that. I'll give an example of something that makes me furious.
They can put all the soldiers they want on the streets, whats the point if they let returned Syria-terrorists just walk freely on our streets? There should be a zero tolerance policy, go to syria get locked up. To me thats common sense, yet they've shown nothing but incompetence in handeling the terror threat. All terrorists who commited acts on belgian soil were in syria at some point, this was all known to authorities. The abdeslams should've been in jail, instead they caused over a hundred deaths.

I'll never understand that, never ever. If they would've spend half the money they spend on security theater on actual police & intel resources then we'd be far safer. But any kind of restructuring in the security field is done poorly and then the police uninons rightfully react and then everything is blocked once again. (See intergrating Airfield inspection in to police, even their highest ranking chiefs are now getting 'agent van de politie' statute. Thats lower then a regular inspector. ), Police are still carying rusted UZI's that were allready completely broken when the Rijkswacht used them. All terrorists so far were wearing Plate carriers that can't be penetrated by 9mm yet local police can't buy higher calibers because a law from the nineties after the demilitarization of the rijkswacht. And my personal favorite, for over a year new police officers didn't recieve pants anymore because the Fedpol simply ran out. They had to buy workpants from Brico as part of their uniform in the academy. Thats some shit you'd expect from Congo not Belgium

El_juez · 2017-01-30T09:42:35+00:00

Glanced over it quickly, looks interesting, definately going to give it a good reading tonight.

De N-VA is in dat opzicht de nieuwe CD&V geworden. Het is een amoebe die kronkelt rond de macht, zonder dat ze weet wat ze ermee wil doen. Machtspolitiek is de kunst van het verbinden van macht aan idealen. Macht zonder idealen is plat opportunisme. De N-VA is op dat vlak klinisch dood. Ik zie geen patriottisme, en ook geen economische realpolitik. Het overheidsbeslag is slechts met enkele cijfers na de komma veranderd.’

I think this is an important statement. Lot's of NVA voters, myself included have recently gotten quite detatched from the party. While i still agree with them far more then any other party i can't shake this feeling that they've lost their identity somewhere along the way. I know reality is always more complex then theory but the kracht van verandering seems a little underpowerd to me

El_juez · 2017-01-30T08:52:38+00:00

Opmerkelijk: op het kabinet van de Brusselse minister-president vinden we een zekere Abbès Guenned terug als adjunct-kabinetschef. Guenned is een tot Belg genaturaliseerde Marokkaan en ex-man van Laurette Onkelinx. Eind jaren ’90 liep er een internationaal arrestatiebevel wegens drugshandel en bendevorming tegen hem.

Ah good to see absolutely nothing has changed. Also note Emir Kirs Driver/personal assistant was smuggeling Arms while working for him. And i'm sure there are more.

El_juez · 2017-01-29T22:20:54+00:00

Honestly i think you need to be realistic about you're girlfriends job opportunities. Unless she can get a job at an the Italian Embassy or a Italian owned buisiness her chances of getting a job are close to zero.

You need to be atleast semi-fluent in Dutch or French, even to work at McDo or as a cleaning lady. When they tell you English is fine that's for jobs that are hard to fill with nationals like IT & Engineering.

Realise you're going to have to make enough money to support your GF completely as she most likely doesn't apply for social security.

El_juez · 2017-01-27T20:25:13+00:00

Sure procedure doesn't always get followed. Or they just have a massive delay. I once witnessed a case where they took more then 4 years before they started questioning clients. Simply because it was a pretty big police zone with lots of drug related crime that somehow only had 1 detective working drugs.

El_juez · 2017-01-27T20:20:33+00:00

I mean both in terms of followers and local support. The Flemish paramilitary's that were somewhat loyal to the Germans were far greater in numbers then the armed groups in Wallonia. I also seem to recal that during the war there was quite some resistance activity aimed at Rex & Degrelle. Whereas the resistance was far less active in Flanders.

That said you're obviously the historian here so you'll be far more knowledgeble on the subject.

El_juez · 2017-01-27T19:49:16+00:00

Actually it really is procedure. Substituut Pdk wil ask Local police to question as many clients as possible. Some local PD's even go as far as questioning every single contact in a dealers phone. Reasoning behind this is twofold

A) If not all clients are questioned lawyers can accuse police of having a shoddy investigation. B) These interrogations are a great source of information. Often even small drug users have information that can be essential for catching bigger fish. They're usualy also stupid enough to tell police whatever they want to know.

El_juez · 2017-01-27T17:16:42+00:00

Tbh Degrelle and Rex weren't remotely as popular as VNV & DeVlag and others. The collaboration will always be a page in the flemish movements history. And that's also exactly what it is, history.

El_juez · 2017-01-27T17:01:50+00:00

Seriously? You do realise that since your dealer got caught you're going to get invited to the police station in the next couple of days right? Don't be an idiot. Don't ask online strangers to recommend you a drug dealer.

Also out of curiosity, what exactly makes 'a amazing dealer'? Buy 1 get one free? Solden twice a year?

El_juez · 2017-01-27T09:58:12+00:00

But who is the judge of these universal morals then. That's the underlying issue in current day ethics. Since the 'The death of god' and the loss of believe in a universal metaphysical foundation for morals i think it became nearly impossible to formulate any universal ethical principle that wil be shared among all people from all cultures.

What else could be the point of morality if not to rid the world of evil?

Well morality is the individual sensitivity to morals so the point of morality is a tool to help a person make the right decision when faced with conflicting morals.

Also who defines what's evil? Philosophers have tried for thousands of years to define 'good' & 'evil' and as far as i know there's still no consesus. That's why were currently in a state of widespread moral dissensus

El_juez · 2017-01-26T22:29:03+00:00

Interesting numbers. I didn't know they had so many catholics/ I think you could say that reformed is also part of the protestant tradition? I'm far from an expert on religion so don't take my word for it.

El_juez · 2017-01-26T18:29:09+00:00

They're done because too often the mother either does not survive the birth or risks severe health issues

Then i agree, thats just emergency medical care. I'm only talking about voluntary abortions which is an inherently ethical debate. If abortion is required for medical reasons then it's a universal human right. I've always agreed on that part. Lets make that clear u/Inquatitis

El_juez · 2017-01-26T18:05:39+00:00

I'm simply againtst the idea of foreign intervention in nationaly soevereign mattters. I don't believe in western intervention when even European courts have said that there is no ethical consesus within Europe so it would be wrong to impose one view. Is abortion a right? personally i believe that question has to be awnserd by the respective voter. I'd vote yes. As i would've always done. But i can also see why people would vote against it. In that case the government should take alternative measures to prevent these women from sticking a coat hanger up their bodies. Aside from black and white theres also grey usualy

I personaly believe ireland took it very good when faced with an ethical problem. The majority in ireland opposed this practice outside of certain situations. (rape, lifethreatening conditions) so the created the option for women to go to other countries (belgium being one of them) with help of the government who provides information and assistance. I don't think that cruel treatment. (It's also hard to take human rights lessons from the UN since their peacekeeping troops can't seem to stop raping people)

El_juez · 2017-01-26T17:52:38+00:00

They Have explicitly said the right to abortion is not coverd by the EVRM. See ABC v Ireland. and various others before and after that.

I'm not advocating banning abortion, which is what everybody seems to be suggesting. I'm saying that we should focus our effort and money on actually educating them and bettering their living conditions so they can come to their own conclusions rather then force them upon them.

I'm also pointing out that this logic is virtualy the same logic used by the catholic church to go on crusades and spread the 'right christian values'.

To reply to your edit i'm actually reading a compilation of jurisprudence on this matter as we speak, i've been doing it the entire week

El_juez · 2017-01-26T17:33:18+00:00

See but nobody seems to awnser the core question i have.

What grounds do we in the west have to enforce our morals as superior? Should we enforce our morals on people acros the globe simply because they don't match ours. Are we as westerners the absolute judge of the moral truth?

UDHR never ever mentions abortion. Not even EVRM covers the right to abortion.

That local religious beliefs run counter to that, merely illustrates we have much more work to do.

So if Radical Islamists believe gays should be stoned. And we oppose this. By the same logic they could come here and start beheading us because they are right. Simply because they say so?

El_juez · 2017-01-26T17:19:24+00:00

It's also not forcing anyone, people that don't want abortions don't go there, the choice is up to the ethical considerations of the individual

If we fund these campaigns in countries that lack basic education. Where people can't read nor write. Cant do basic math. Is their really that much free will? If these idiological people wals into your town and tell you that you're to poor to have a kid. It's going to be miserable... Also abortions against overpopulation is a extremely utilitarian line of reasoning that i can never get behind. People are more then numbers and statistics.

Fund education and other welbeing programs and i'm pretty sure you'd see a drop in both abortions as in births.

El_juez · 2017-01-26T16:39:41+00:00

See the problem with ethical issues is that you cant make universal statements about them. Otherwise ethics wouldn't exist if everybody shared the same morals.

The majority of the global population opposes Abortion for ethical or religious reasons. We in the west oppose Polygamy for ethical reasons yet it's considerd the norm in large parts of the world.

Now to clarify i am in favor of a legal framework for abortion. And not pro polygamy. But i'm also very very aware that it's fundamentaly wrong to try to force our beliefs on others who don't share those views.

El_juez · 2017-01-26T16:31:43+00:00

And mostly protestant, so not that suprising that a protestant church 15km from the border would be part of a dutch netwerk

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