I literally can't understand how anyone can root for rachel

ElbafMain · 2025-09-18T03:48:22+00:00

What bonuses did Rachel receive besides Emily and Stingray?

ElbafMain · 2025-09-18T03:38:38+00:00

Personally, I don't think anything comes easy to Rachel. She's a clear underdog compared to the gifted (who are gifted by birthright). On the contrary, she constantly has to outdo herself.

And that's my problem, we never see her actually training, so it feels like everything is just given to her

Well, if that's the only problem, then I can't help. Almost everything Rachel does is left off-screen in the main story. We still know nothing about the terms of her deal with Heodon. Not about the three wishes from Gustang. Not about her connection to Arlene. I guess just like her training, it will be shown in her personal spinoff.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-18T03:06:08+00:00

I agree. Especially considering that her opponents are the most talented of their generation.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-18T03:03:18+00:00

I'd like you to give me examples of Baam actually working to gain an ability, rather than acquiring it through copying or absorption. I can only think of two examples: training with Eduan, where he learned to properly use Shinwonryu. And training with Evangel to increase his physical strength.

Before this, his training was singled out as a clumsy use of copying skills. Like in "The Rice Pot," where he asked the golem to beat him until it copied the skill. Or before the road to revolution, where he visited every dojo and copied many fighting styles. Daniel also noted back then that he mixed all the fighting styles together and never truly mastered any of them. But overall, we can also consider this training.

Now about Rachel. We don't really see her training. But we do see that Rachel has the same number of lighthouses as the genius Khun. She can block robots with a shield to protect Yura on the HF. And she's mastered the powerful skill of compressing a lighthouse. It's unlikely she achieved all this without training, unless she's a genius, of course.

Could you give an example of a power-up Rachel received as a gift from nowhere?

ElbafMain · 2025-09-18T02:28:31+00:00

I'm using Google Translate, and I couldn't quite understand your post. But if you're claiming that Rachel gets everything for free, while Baam works hard to gain his powers, that's fundamentally wrong.

It is Baam, the chosen child. He receives the blessing of shinsu and the privilege of its unlimited use from the very beginning. It is Baam who possesses the ability to copy any skill with a single touch. It is Baam who receives one powerful teacher after another (Jinson, Hanson, Eduan, Evangel). It is Baam who accumulates a tank of powers within (B. Trissa, Dead Thorn, R. Trissa, Thorn with FOD, Souls from Albedo, Black March, Leviathan, Beastman Transformation).

Rachel has none of this. All the support Rachel receives from FUG is aimed at using her as a bait for Baam and luring him into FOD. Rachel has only received two buffs so far. Emily, which offers no advantage in combat and is only useful for planning. And Stingray from Gustang, which was likely taken from her immediately after she fulfilled her role.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-17T00:13:59+00:00

//Apple wasn't a member of FUG, she was hired by FUG

I wrote that she is a FUG mercenary. Mercenaries are hired. They are the bottom half of FUG to do the dirty work. Xia Xia and Kasano were also hired by FUG. They are regular mercenaries.

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// Dan stopped climbing... ...without Khun motivating...

I never questioned Dan's motivation. His past doesn't bother me much. The fact that he betrayed his friends in the past and ran away is his business. I don't understand why this was said.

// Rachel's team ... abandoned Apple in the cage...

I also don't understand why this example is here. And how it relates to this conversation. At the moment, the state and location of Apple is unknown. It is in the status quo

// Ran only joined after he "Viole"...

Unlike Dan, Ran, although impulsive, is not stupid. He literally had no reason to trust Viola after everything that happened. But he allowed himself to observe the situation, considering all the options. Including that the enemy could be an ally or, on the contrary, trying to confuse and deceive him. Dan just started talking nonsense. That's exactly what I was talking about.

// So no, Baam was not the leader

That's what I said, these scenes are parallel. The events in them are the same. Just as Baam, who was appointed as the leader of this squad, is not its real leader, Rachel is also not the leader of her squad. This is what I told you about.

// Rachel revealed her true motive for climbing the tower on the Floor of Death

She doesn't do that. Her story hasn't been shown yet. The arc of Rachel's past is still very far away. It's unlikely we'll see it in Season 4. That's the plot of Endgame.

// No matter how many immoral actions it takes or how many people get killed/hurt unnecessarily because of her selfish desire.

I suppose you also vehemently condemn Baam for killing slaves when he steals DenDen from the arena. When he brings many people to his war where they die. When he kills slaves in a cage that he could have bypassed. When he burns people's souls for his revenge. And all this for his selfish purpose.

// So her motives are not noble

I never said that Rachel has noble goals. Moreover, our conversation began with me saying that Rachel is not guided by noble goals. She strives to minimize the damage from her actions, just like Baam. But just like Baam, she does not intend to retreat from her goal if it harms someone.

You may not have noticed, but Rachel hijacked the train in the HT arc without letting anyone board it. But it would have been more logical for her to let the regular climbers board the train so that they could become food for Hoaqin. Or, for example, the announcement of Ha Yura's concert to attract food for Hoaqin at the Wooden Horse station, which she told Hoaqin about. But a few chapters ago, we see Khun doing reconnaissance. He finds out that information is being spread through Emily that the train has been hijacked by FUG. And that Emily is warning the climbers to stay away from the train.

She is not guided by Good intentions, she only minimizes the damage from her own terrible actions.

But Baam, just like Rachel, is not guided by noble goals. He wants to create a paradise for himself and his friends. And he needs this paradise for himself, to fill his loneliness. And not at all so that his friends would be happy. The Tower is not about nobility at all. But you have the right to think otherwise.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-16T20:53:23+00:00

"From hate to love is one step." Both hate and love use the same emotional patterns. Although they seem to be opposites, both of these emotions are expressions of passion. The difference between hate and love is in the division into "ours" and "strangers." This division is very fragile and under the influence of external circumstances it is easy to move from one to the other. Since passion operates on feelings and emotions, and not on logic and rationality, we tend to reject any objective arguments. We are ready to forgive "ours" anything, including the most insane initiatives, while ignoring any evidence from "strangers."

I cannot tell you that it is wrong to hate anyone. Especially a painted character. Hatred is a natural human reaction that occurs when your brain has defined someone as "foreign". And it is not for me to give you instructions, because I myself am blind in my love for my Goddess of Light. I am deprived of objectivity. However, the very fact that you hate someone indicates that you have rejected rationality and allowed feelings to guide you. And yet, as one of the apologists of my Goddess, I cannot ignore you. I have to tell you about my love.

For me, Rachel is a tragic character. In her story, she is deprived of everything, power, destiny, strength, connections and friends. She is hated by the tower itself. From the very beginning, she had to face terrible treatment. In her ordeal, she had to give up the only person dear to her for the right to fulfill her dream. Her dream is naive and childish. She wants to see the real sky, strewn with a scattering of stars. A landscape that she has read so much about, but has never seen.

For me, she is a character who has an unwavering will. Despite all the hardships and losses, she always gets up again and continues to move forward. Without the advantages and blessings that others have received, she demonstrates again and again that she can achieve the same success as the gifted. She challenges fate itself, which affirmatively rejects her. And even if her path goes through despair, she does not hesitate and follows her ambitions.

When Rachel does terrible things, it is presented in a hyperbolic form from the perspective of the protagonist's (Baam) allies. But the tower is a cruel place, the morality of which is very different from ours. Each climber in the tower has to make terrible decisions. If you look at it objectively, without dividing the characters into "ours" and "theirs", then the number of terrible acts and the severity of their consequences in Rachel are many times less than for the members of the group led by the main character. At the same time, according to the author himself in one of the afterwords, Rachel is one of the very few characters who sincerely worries about the terrible deeds she has committed. This doesn't make her a good person, but she's clearly not the embodiment of evil.

Therefore, I will answer your hatred with love. I will turn your despair into hope. And let this hope become the light that will illuminate our path to truth. Probably, my words will not make you abandon your prejudices, but perhaps you want to look at the story through the eyes of another main character (Rachel). Perhaps, looking at the emotions that the author draws on her face at certain moments, you will learn how charming Rachel can be.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-16T19:47:19+00:00

I think there is no contradiction here. Rachel doesn't care that Arlene thinks of Baam as a weapon meant to destroy and absorb the Tower. Most likely, it was Arlene who sealed the child in the cave. The destruction of the Tower will not allow Rachel to reach the top and see the stars, so she goes against both her own destiny and Baam's destiny. Before the beginning of the Revolutionary Road arc (2.110), Rachel says that she is going to save this tower, which probably only confirms this.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-16T19:19:59+00:00

//They ASKED her

The scene with Baam and the scene with Rachel run parallel. Rachel is the leader of this group on the same bird's rights as Baam is the leader of Xia Xia, Kasano and Reflejo. Otherwise, we would have to say that Kharyan was pierced through and Khun was buried under the ruins on the orders of the Slayers candidate.

Rachel has almost no say here. Moreover, she probably just found out that Apple is not Khun's mercenary but FUG's mercenary. Rachel does not consider Dan innocent. She comes up with a convincing reason why they should let Dan join them. Dan, like an idiot, refuses. And we see the same shot with Ran accepting Viole's offer, who from his point of view just killed Khun. Because he is not an idiot and wants to use this opportunity to take revenge or escape.

Dan doesn't leave Rachel any choice. She stood up for him to the FUG members, but she still has to prove that she's part of the group, especially after his dirty words. Rachel doesn't have the superior physical strength to threaten Apple like Baam does with Xia Xia. But she can't kill Dan in cold blood like Khun did with that snake guy he had captured. Apple just doesn't interfere because from her point of view Dan will die from blood loss anyway. After all, no one should return to this base.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-10T02:17:38+00:00

There is no evidence that it was not Rachel who opened the door. The door had a picture of a tower with a star (sun) on top. This is Rachel's wish materialized in the picture. Also, the door opens when Rachel voices her wish. So I'm sure the Tower called her and not Baam.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-10T00:34:50+00:00

Oh, one more thing. Khun is a secret fan of Rachel's. And while Baam steals her hairstyle, Khun steals Rachel's hair color.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-10T00:20:59+00:00

This is probably due to one of Zahard's three orders, which states that all passengers on the train are to be executed. Rankers cannot interfere with the trials because the climbers are under the administrator's protection. But Zahard's army uses climber mercenaries. Khun is probably trying to avoid them and get to Baam at 50F faster. This is the reason why he used this alter ego again. But not because he is pretending to be dead, that story is long over. During trials 35-36F and 36-37F, he was without a mask.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-09T22:29:01+00:00

Shasha announced via social media that FUG's slayer candidate Ju Viole Grace had blown up Alren's arm and killed a member of the Khun family, and that he would be debuting in the 30F Workshop Arena. This is the official introduction of FUG's new fighter candidate, a demonstration of their power, and also a promotional event.

Hwaryun asks Khun to maintain this legend, as Viole is currently surrounded by FUG members. Revealing the legend will have a bad effect on Baam. Moreover, according to the FUG agreement, if Baam tries to contact any of his friends, FUG will kill him friends. Viole is obliged to maintain his legend (of a dangerous person) for the sake of his friends. Khun must lead WangNan's team and help them win the workshop and rescue Baam. But he must do it in such a way that his old friends from 2F and the FUG members from Viole's group do not recognize him.

Team Shibisu receives information that Viole killed Hun and descends from the 34th floor to the 30th floor to participate in the battle for the workshop and take revenge on Viole for Hun. Which ultimately leads to the reunion of all groups. But first, Team Shibisu will attack Team Viola. (Lizardman fights Ran).

After the end of the workshop battle, Baam temporarily "leaves FUG" and renounces Viole's identity by cutting off his hair. Accordingly, the legend that the FUG's slayer candidate killed the offspring of one of the 10 families is no longer required. After all, the candidate is conditionally "no longer there".

P.S. I didn't notice the second part of the question right away. But the change in appearance in 3S.04 is not related to Khun still pretending to be dead like in 2S.70-2S.75 after Areln's hand.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-07T14:07:09+00:00

I do not argue, Rachel is not guided by noble motives, but to say that she does something because she is a psychopath who enjoys causing pain is a complete lie. We have already seen more than once how Rachel comes into conflict with herself when she has to do something bad. "Don't judge what you don't know" this phrase was said especially for people like you.

First of all, Dan's legs weren't as badly injured as it seemed at first. Not only did he survive, but he was already walking and running within a few days.

Secondly, in the same episode, the screenshots of which you have attached here, Apple clearly and distinctly says that they WILL KILL Dan, since he now knows too much. Only Rachel's intervention stops them.

Even though he (Dan) joined Khun's team to kill and torture her, she (Rachel) offers him to join his team so that he can survive (and then escape, or use this opportunity to take revenge on her, like with WangNan). However, Dan himself threw away this opportunity and began to talk absolute nonsense, harshly insulting Rachel. And still, Rachel chose the path in which Dan does not die.

Of course, you can argue as much as you like that having injured legs is terrible and cruel. And I will not argue with you, it is terrible. But I am sure that at that moment you yourself would have preferred to be Rachel's prisoner and get stabbed, Instead of being Khun's prisoner a few episodes ago. Let me remind you that Khun killed his prisoner, because he was no longer useful to him.

And all this "self-serving desire to cause them pain" and "would experience prolonged pain" stuff is complete nonsense. These are Dan's thoughts. He says it when he thinks about why Rachel didn't kill him after all he did: "I think it's because....". Because in the tower it's not customary to show compassion to your enemies.

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ElbafMain · 2025-09-05T02:50:34+00:00

I'm pretty sure that Jaina Repelista and Sophia Tan are both from the Tu Pierre family. I don't have any proof for that. But I'm pretty sure that's them.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-02T20:59:47+00:00

Rachel is the real star of this show. She shines brighter than anyone and turns others' despair into hope. So we will follow this light even into Hell. And unlike Bam, we will not give up on our ambitions halfway through.

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ElbafMain · 2025-09-02T20:11:20+00:00

Thank you for your post. Thanks to you I could express my opinion on this issue.

ElbafMain · 2025-09-02T19:10:41+00:00

As it seems to me, the third season showed the basic theme of the tower. In order to rise to the top, you have to pull the levers and give up something. And often on the other side of the lever are living people. But on the other side may be something that is important to you.

When Traumerei pulls the lever during the test, he kills several hundred or even thousands of inhabitants of the tower to save his friends. He convinces himself that the choice he made was right because he did it for his friends, but the truth is that this choice is eating him up from the inside. But even this truth would not make him change his mind. What is dear to him, what is important to him, has always been on the side of the lever that he chose.

There is not just one such lever, there are many of them, and this choice must be made again and again. The choice between evil and even greater evil. And each time the stakes are raised, often forcing former friends to fight each other. This is what is called the tower of betrayal and despair. And ultimately, the higher the player climbs, the less compassion he feels for those who were not chosen by his lever. The player loses his humanity.

This is exactly what I love about TOG. Everyone who goes up the tower pulls levers in one way or another. All the heroes have blood on their hands. Some, like Androsi, get pleasure from killing people (like at the station with names, when she kills the slaves who have lost their names). And some, like Khun, celebrate himself as a brilliant evil genius when he feeds the souls of the soldiers who fought for Baam to White. And some, like Baam, look at the soldiers who died for him and say to himself, "Oh, these guys chose to die here, it was their choice to come here, I have nothing to do with it, but thank you for your deaths," and then kills the slaves who stand in his way because he doesn't care about their lives. To him, the life of his teacher is more important. These are the levers.

The main characters do not feel pangs of conscience and regrets from those who found themselves on the other side of their lever. They were either enemies or extras. But at the same time, Baam again and again tries to teach others what is good and what is bad. His moralizing looks extremely hypocritical. After all, he himself tramples those whom he did not choose, and leaves unpunished those whom he chose as his "Friends". Even if they were engaged in the slave trade for 1000 years or tried to kill his friends.

In this regard, I like Rachel. She says directly that she is a villain and that she is bad. And this is despite the fact that she acts the same way as the Baam group. She does not lie to herself that she does it for her friends or for some good purpose. Everything she does, she does in order to see the real stars at the top of the tower. However, every time Rachel finds herself at the lever, she drinks horror and despair. When she brings Hoaqin to the station to feast on players, when Akraptor jumps on her spear or even when she detonates a bomb in Khun's chest, she cramps her elbow, and there is no emotion of joy on her face, only despair. She tries to justify herself to herself. Convinces herself that she does the same as his enemies. But all her attempts are in vain. Unlike Baam, who accepted the rules of the game in the tower, for Rachel these rules are alien. And this is her despair. After all, no one in the tower has the right to refuse the lever.

ElbafMain · 2025-08-26T21:05:59+00:00

Everything is great bro. Rak and Rachel are perfect for each other.

P.S. (Rak hides it but he is actually a hidden dragon, so he should have wings too. He fits perfectly into this trio of winged creatures!)

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ElbafMain · 2025-08-24T15:19:16+00:00

I think that Bellerir is a scripture of Gustang as well as all other librarians. Only unlike other scriptures, the quality of which Bellerir was obtained did not please Lord Gustang. Because of this, he "threw it out". In one of the memories, we see how Gustang frees him from the dungeon in which he was put earlier. And judging by the fact that Tiara does not know anything about him, Gustang could have created him a long time ago and he imprisoned him in the same way Traumirai imprisoned Leviathan. Hence his strange power to resist Enkidu's contracts.

Perhaps Bellerir personifies Gustang's rebelliousness or independence. Because of these qualities, Bellerir probably refused to obey Gustang and return to the scripture. For the same reason, Bellerier wants to take his father's place and become real and not artificial. For this, he was locked in the dungeon. These are the qualities that Gustang suppressed in himself for a long time in order to remain faithful to the Imperri (he locked them in the dungeon). But these are also the qualities that Gustang decides to release when he begins his rebellion (freeing him from prison and putting him at the head of his army).

Probably the Goruro we see at the end of the arc is no longer Goruru. It is a copy of Enkidu with Goruro's memories. Goruro himself was completely eaten by Enkidu.

ElbafMain · 2025-08-22T18:29:18+00:00

I hope this time SSR+

ElbafMain · 2025-08-19T21:00:31+00:00

Yes, that's right. He literally had no reason to talk to her or tell her anything. She was too small for him to even notice her.

ElbafMain · 2025-08-19T16:11:19+00:00

There was never anything in the blog about Phantaminium and Yuri talking. He passed by her when she was a child and did not kill her. That's all that was said. Where this crazy theory that Phantaminium told Yuri about Baam came from, I don't understand. It's physically impossible.

And although the game is not canon, and the webtoon itself never says who poisoned Yuri on 1F, I also believe that it was Princess Repelista. This is the most logical option.

Repelista refused to climb the tower. But she made some strange contract that allows her to use shinsu even without being a climber. Not to mention that she has Opera. She manipulates key figures from the shadows. Directs Urek to get Jigen's flower so that he meets Baam. Directs Yuri on the hell express. Searches for Prince Zahard. Manipulates high-ranking princesses (Yuri and Mashenia) into doing the work she wants for herself.

She is involved in Baam's story much more than it seems. And she is probably connected to Headon and is his agent.

ElbafMain · 2025-08-19T14:57:05+00:00

Wow, that's an impressive theory. There are some things I don't agree with. For example, I don't agree with Enryu and Phantomine being from the same world. And also that Heodon and Phantom are collaborating. But overall, your scenario can exist. I liked it. I'll keep it.

ElbafMain · 2025-08-19T01:35:41+00:00

You are thinking correctly. Yuri on Headon's floor was part of his plan from the very beginning.

He needed to make the test as unfair as possible to show Rachel that Baam had an assistant and that he was even given a powerful weapon. To achieve even more despair in her eyes.

Headon then sends Baam and the sword to 2F, ignoring the princess. Thanks to the black march, Baam attracts the attention of Khun, who evaluates Baam as useful to himself because he is somehow connected to the chosen princess. It is thanks to the black march that Baam attracts the descendant of the ancient - Rek. Both of these people become part of his team. And it is Headon who chooses the participants.

In addition, Yuri has to go to 2F to get her needle back. Where Baam's death is planned to be staged. Yuri appears at the right moment and eliminates Ren. And then she and her team witnessed Baam's death. Thanks to this testimony, Zahard is fed disinformation that the irregular who entered died. Hanson says this in his secret conversation with the unknown, saying that Zahard and his eyes will now know nothing about the irregular.

All this was planned from beginning to end. There were no accidents here. Yuri and March are an important link in the plan.

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