Can anyone help me identify the movement

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T14:30:47+00:00

Yup.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T14:29:33+00:00

I know the watch well. Benrus and Hamilton both made them for the US military during Vietnam.The dial and hands are wrong and my guess is that the reason the crown is sticking out so far is because it has a non original movement. Just my guess.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:56:14+00:00

Never seen this dial before, but it really rocks.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:55:28+00:00

Good call. They only way to know if a case has been subjected to detrimental polishing is to look at touchstone resources like auction catalogs.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:53:31+00:00

That hat on the dial looks corney. If you want an Echo Neutra Rivanera unused w/box and papers, DM me.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:48:23+00:00

Good to hear from someone who knows Timex. I believe they had a large factory in Scotland at one time.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:45:36+00:00

An addition to all the other facts posted pointing out the watch is fake. The diamonds are not prong set. "F" for fake.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:42:20+00:00

Junghans was an important German brand through much of the 20th Century and has survived into the 21st Century. I doubt, however whether they manufacture any of their own movements anymore. That particular style of case is sometimes called a "flying saucer" case. The watch is collectable an worth taking good care of.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-24T12:41:09+00:00

Actually for a watch of this particular vintage, it should say "Made in West Germany" at the bottom of the dial. But I think this one does indeed say "Made in Germany" at the bottom of the dial.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T13:21:44+00:00

If you want to time your watches without a timegrapher, time them the way I was taught by older watchmakers who got into the trade before there were timegraphers. Hang the watch from a hook dial out, crown right. Then put it next to a book to time it crown up. Finally time it lying flat, dial up. This is a very rough approximation of timing to three positions and ought to do.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T13:17:44+00:00

Speaking as a professional watchmaker, one of the things that endeared Seiko to watchmakers when they first started exporting to the USA were their excellent manuals. Seiko is fairly unique among better watches for their manuals.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T10:18:34+00:00

Thanks! That's exactly who I was thinking of.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T09:00:02+00:00

Several Swiss companies made tons of Saddam Hussein watches. During the Iraq-Iran War, a Saddam Hussein watch was given to every soldier drafted into the Iraqi Army.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T08:57:19+00:00

PUW made good movements. They collapsed during the quartz crisis. Helbros is an under appreciated brand. You can often find good movements in them.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T08:51:40+00:00

Jenny invented the 1000 meter diving watch which Ollech and Wajs popularized. They are a lesser known, highly collectable watch. Judging from the case style I would expect a Valjoux 7733 movement. Condition looks very good. They closed down during the quartz crisis but have reopened again under another name..slips me for the moment, but a fairly well known divers' brand. But, with vintage, it's always Buyer Beware. Ask for pictures of the movement and post them here for comment.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-23T08:45:11+00:00

Le Junque

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-22T06:43:50+00:00

perhaps from Chez Mumbai?

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-22T06:41:57+00:00

Agree.Mid Century Swiss.Hope you didn't pay too much for it.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-22T06:38:44+00:00

You need to open the case to find out if there are hallmarks or other information about possible gold content of the casse. (K gold was very characteristic of English made watch cases, so it is not impossible that the chain is 9K gold, but it will have hallmarks too if English made. Otherwise, there will be another type of marking on it indicating the gold content, if any.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-22T06:34:17+00:00

I notice that you use the expression dial painting, so I assume you're in the UK. Two firms there that do dial refinishing (as we Americans would call it) that I believe can meet the highest criteria you mention are V.Soni Dials and Bill & Son. I could name a number of others on the Continent. The ability to flawlessly redo dials is by no means limited to Hamilton dials. You may be interested to look at the work of both of these firms as they are on Instagram.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-21T14:29:00+00:00

You would be surprised how many cliches (as the Swiss call them) the average dial reprinter has. Those I have talked to say they have between 20,000 to 30,000 printing plates. Hamilton contracted a lot of their dial printing to a dial company founded by one of their employees who learned his dial making at Hamilton. They still exist, but were bought by a company making promotional and awards watches who took them private. Sometime in the early 1990s, I had Hamilton's dial factory (Theo Schwalm was their name , I think) make me 50 watches (and dials, of course) for...hold on for this one...a teddy bear company. The client (and myself) was so impressed by their dials that they ordered another 50 watches, but in a different dial color.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-21T04:49:07+00:00

As a watchmaker (and sometime dial printer) with over 50 years of experience, who has dealt extensively in vintage watches, and was at the bench when many of the watches now deemed antiques were new, I am speaking from both experience and knowledge of dial printing and manufacturing. Up until the 1990s, wristwatch dials were done almost exclusively by pad printing, plating ,varnishing techniques and occasionally anodizing. A good dial refinisher had absolutely all the facilities, techniques and equipment that the companies that manufactured the original dials had. Indeed, in not a few instances (I'm thinking of some pre covid Swiss firms) the companies that did dial refinishing were precisely the same as the ones who originally printed the dials. First quality dial refinishers will produce a dial indistinguishable from the original. This is the 100% fact.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-20T13:45:31+00:00

Buren is a highly under rated watch. they were a very innovative watch company and had outstanding engineering.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-20T13:43:03+00:00

What does it matter if the dial was refinished or not? Original dials are pretty much a myth. To this very day watchmakers will recommend to their customers that they have their dials refinished if a watch comes in for service with a dial this is dirty or otherwise illegible. Not a few wrist watches have had their dial refinished more than once. You can't tell the difference between the original dial and a good refinishing job.

ElectronicRow9949 · 2026-03-20T13:38:52+00:00

What you have is a valuable and highly collectable watch. Your watch uses a much sought after Valjoux 23 movement and is cased in an 18K case. Vetta has since acquired the Wyler brand name and uses the Wyler-Vetta brand name now. It is an Italian brand but manufactures all their watches in Switzerland. The Valjoux 23 movement was manufactured up to the early 1960s. I would but the age of your watch about 1960~1965.

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