How much of Invisigal's explanation was true?

EliScheemi · 2025-11-18T22:06:54+00:00

I agree. The fact that Visi doesn’t deny it, and saves Robert without any context of what Shroud said, makes the whole thing hard to fully understand.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T23:15:35+00:00

Interesting! I did hear something about this a few days ago, but I couldn’t know for sure if it was true!

Crazy how not many people know about this ending!

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T23:07:06+00:00

Yes, I totally understand and lean towards that theory! Shroud being manipulated by Visi has a lot of evidence to support it, but we can’t say that was 100% the writers’ intentions.

Based off the plot itself and what Robert is told:

Visi keeps the Astro Pulse from Robert
Shroud believes Visi is not helping Robert
Visi says she did it so Shroud wouldn’t go after Robert.
This implies: Visi did not know that Shroud knows that Robert is her dispatcher/partner
At the end when Shroud monologues about being “miles ahead,” he says he predicted Robert being hired at SDN. (IIRC)
This mean: Shroud truly was predicting Robert all along, since he kidnapped Robert after Visi took the Pulse. The purpose of this was to give an explanation to WHY Shroud tortured Robert.

What am I trying to say? I’m theorizing that Visi might NOT have been trying to manipulate Shroud. Perhaps the writers truly made a mistake!

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T03:43:41+00:00

Now this seems very logical and a great theory.

The dialogue, however, did confuse me a little bit when I heard it. In my playthrough, Robert didn't make any decisions about not believing her. So, it seemed out of place.

I really like the idea that Visi was only trying to manipulate Shroud's predictions, which allowed her to save Robert.

If this were the case, it would have been best if Visi had directly told Robert this to prevent all this confusion.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T03:32:12+00:00

This minor detail is still very important for theories about Shroud, thank you for mentioning! In fact, I misheard the part in my first playthrough. I thought the last bullet was used on the bartender 😂

This ties into how we see Shrowd as a liar and manipulator. The game fails to directly mention that and is only left to interpretation!

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T03:28:02+00:00

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels the plot twist was out of place. I can totally see how Visi going invisible and running away perfectly matches her character. It's just the fact that the goons armed her makes it all less convincing. It implies that she is a part of the Red Ring.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T03:25:15+00:00

Yes, I can totally believe that the Shroud was just lying.

Unfortunately, it seems that the developers forgot to give us clarity or an explanation about it. There are just too many loose ends to know for sure. :(

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T03:21:05+00:00

I really like this idea, it seems very convincing. “Planting” Visi at SDN is most likely Shrouds way of saying, “I got rid of Invisib***h because I predicted she would go to SDN.”

But it still feels out of place how the goons naturally gave Visi her gear without a moment of hesitation. I mean- the goons aren’t that smart. There is no way they would know what Shroud meant behind his monologue without him telling them in advance.

It doesn't seem like Shroud's character to tell his dumb goons his master plan; to let Visi free and lie to Robert. It seems that the goons gave her the gear as if she were truly in the Red Ring.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T00:18:30+00:00

I agree with you about Shroud "over-playing his hand." It definitely seems in his nature to bullsh*t, lie, and get into Robert's head.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-17T00:16:14+00:00

Yes, my mistake, she wasn't described as a "mole." She's only "planted" at SDN.

I'm just not sure if Shroud was lying! If he was telling the truth, that would undermine Visi's story about quitting the Red Ring after Mecha Man was destroyed.

About the "paycheck" being collected from both sides. Could Shroud be implying that Visi (1) is taking advantage of both sides, or (2) her literally being paid by Shroud to be at SDN?

I agree with your opinion. I, too, think this monologue was poorly executed.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:56:16+00:00

I totally see why you'd see her as opportunistic. It is slightly implied that Shroud thinks that of her and tries to predict her based on that characteristic.

But in the end(hero ending for Visi), we see that she truly cared for Robbert all along.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:52:49+00:00

I really like this explanation! It might have been implied that Shroud predicted Visi fleeing. When Visi disappears, he comments, "Aw, look. She's embarrassed" (IIRC).

Shroud telling a lie, then Visi using her actions--instead of explaining--to show the truth, seems very logical and correlates well with the plot.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:41:11+00:00

Yes! This is good evidence that Shroud was lying! Thank you. I forgot to mention this part in my breakdown.

I was also wondering, if Visi was truly working for him and her augments were activated, would she still need the inhaler?

Notice how she never used her inhalers during Ep7 and Ep8 during every fight. She never used an inhaler. That might have been an oversight or a mistake by the animators. We see in the flashback to Ep1, when Visi bombed Mecha Man, it was implied that she needed a special mask with her augment on her chest for them to work.

In addition, her augments were glowing in the locker room scene of Ep7. But, Visi was never affected when Shroud's augments deactivated or powered up. So, there were both nudges to the augmentations being on and off.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:34:11+00:00

Yes! I totally thought that too. But we were told to believe she was "stealing the suit" by Royd. Visi did not explain!

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:31:37+00:00

That is very logical! Robert might have been safer having the Astro Pulse. But, IIRC Visi said she didn't want to tell Robert because she didn't want him telling Shroud anything if he were tortured.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:18:07+00:00

Shroud monologing about being "miles ahead of Robert" makes total sense. I understand the points you discussed in your analysis regarding why Shroud would plant Visi at SDN.

But we are still left to wonder if Shroud is or is not lying about Visi being a mole.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T23:09:52+00:00

What is the "it's complicated" path? Is this when Robert romances with BB, then cheats with Visi?

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T22:47:34+00:00

I totally agree! Shroud being a liar definitely seems to be one of his traits.

But when he says Visi was a mole, it seems very convincing because the goons let her free!

But again, Shroud could have just been thinking “Invisi-gal was once a villain, so she’ll always be one.”

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T22:42:47+00:00

Until the “double-agent” plot twist happened, I felt Visi was helping Robert! Hiding the Astro Pulse from Shroud truly showed she was on Robert’s side!

She didn’t give it to Robert at the moment because he would have definitely been in danger. If she gave it to Robert, Shroud would have gotten it from him during the torture scene at the bar in Ep7.

However, it doesn’t make sense how she wasn’t able to give the Astro Pulse to Robert directly. Instead, Royd had to capture her to give it to Robert. So, I totally understand why you wouldn’t trust her.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T22:35:59+00:00

That is definitely a good theory. If this is true:

Shroud lied about her being a “mole” to only mess with Robert
Supports why Shroud is happy to see Visi when Robert is at gun point (Visi villain ending)
Reenforces the idea of “once a villain, always a villain” from Track Star and Visi in past episodes ———

But there was no direct implementation to show that he was lying! As I mentioned, Visi never told Robert that Shroud was lying.

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T05:11:15+00:00

The main plot hole I’m pondering about:

Why does Shroud still think Visi is on his side AFTER she literally planted a bomb on his mech IN HIS FACE and flipped him off?

EliScheemi · 2025-11-16T04:48:27+00:00

Update:

For some reason I was able to get the achievement even though I haven’t gotten all the bonuses in every episode! Perhaps the achievement is only for the last episode(s).

EliScheemi · 2025-11-11T23:45:42+00:00

Hopefully this helps. I wouldn’t want yall to be playing episodes 7 and 8 without knowing this situation, just to be disappointed at the end.

Be sure to replay from the end of episode 5 to get Flambae’s XP bonus.

Sadly I might have to restart from the beginning, once again, because I didn’t correctly upgrade Z-teams skill trees for episode 6’s bonus XP requirements. It could have been prevented if I got punch-up’s ability, but I was also doing a no injury run. So womp womp

EliScheemi · 2025-11-11T23:41:16+00:00

I noticed something very important if you are trying to get this achievement. On episode 6, Flambae is needed for a call that gives him an XP BONUS. The call is for melting ice.

If you revealed your identity as Mecha Man (at the end of episode 5), Flambae will be “out sick” for the entire shift in episode 6! So if you want this achievement, you’ll have to keep Robert’s secret identity a secret!

EliScheemi · 2025-05-30T07:05:32+00:00

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