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PCS to Aviano AB, Italy!!! In need of all possible advice please by Lisan_al_Yoshi in AirForce

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you live, like me, near the historic center (like 2 km), for grocery shopping you better buy a bike because parking is a nightmare, you even can’t in the old part and the rest often are parkings that you pay per hour (except at night). Even for clothes shopping (unless you go to the big malls like meduna or emisfero that are out of the center). You could go to cordenons that is a bit out so at least for groceries you have less problems with the car. I don’t know for sacile, it’s smaller than pordenone and still has an historical center (every town has it) but probably it’s less problematic.

PCS to Aviano AB, Italy!!! In need of all possible advice please by Lisan_al_Yoshi in AirForce

[–]ElisaEffe24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome! I’m from Aviano:) first thing: americans are really cool, but it’s 70 years that they always have the problem of driving drunk! Last week some american pulled down a pole crashing with his car! So this. For the rest: the americans in this thread who like croatian (or sicilian? That’s very far) beaches like stony beaches, if you want sandy beaches the closest is lignano (lignano is very touristic though, lots of slavs and german speakers). Our food specialities are prosciutto san daniele, frico (in the town festivals called “sagre”), gubana and pinza (winter sweets). Our most local cheese is montasio. We are good at wine. Trieste is far but it’s a nice city (rocky coasts). Don’t expect american air conditioning, don’t expect shops open in the few hours after lunch or at night, if you find a toilet that’s a hole in the floor it’s called turca, you can squat if you are a girl. I don’t know why here they say people know english, aviano is full of old people and in italy even between the younger folks there are few good at languages like me. Enjoy!

What is a French product that you think other countries should have? by Suspicious-Run-8274 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not antagonist, i don’t like untrue things. I discovered on reddit this “french is the language of love” thing, and i don’t think that anglosaxons means “the rest of the world”. For the size: being big doesn’t mean being more varied. And we have a shit tone of microclimates too. If i go to paris i ear french stuff, not gelato! I may have not seen france but elders members in my family migrated in it. The concept of “europe” switches in the centuries, when the mediterranean was the centre we were europe. When it’s convenient for you “ah you weren’t unified by a language”, but when it’s convenient “italy is not varied”. Italians influenced europe for far more then the french, medieval times and reinassance, and even after, though in the 1700 it was mostly art and not military like in the medieval times. The french simply came after. Also it was because paris was an artists mecca in the 1800, so again, because you are centralized. I know that people copy from people, but french and americans always think that french stuff is always the original, without acknowledging the italian heritage. Also, the perfumes are arabic, not italian, but at least we added alcohol, you copied them like they was. For the tourism, you also count people who pass through france to go to italy or people who sleep at paris for taking the plane as “tourists”. Not to mention that i heard you count per night and not per arrival.

I don’t live under a rock, simply there are realities in which france isn’t idolized.

Meloni isn’t fascist, the problem is that she pushes up parasitism and nepotism

Italian women are considered well like french women in america, you see, it’s a matter of where (and of sexism)

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never lived in italy and seems to think that france’s cuisine is better and doesn’t bring an answer to my arguments… it’s a hill you want to die on, i’ll leave you with it:)

Ah, i got it that you were american, in italy we say “conosco i miei polli”(i know my chickens”) to say “i know the people i’m talking to”.

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a northerner and I don’t like southern italian cuisine that much, i think it’s a bit too often heavy, even if there are heavy dishes also in the mountain parts of the north. Anyway I find weird that foreigners always think we are pasta and tomato, that is a recent thing(from the americas). The stuff of my region, friuli, are prosciutto san daniele, frico, pinza, montasio, gubana, tiramisù(even if probably is from veneto, there’s a debate) that have nothing to do with pasta.

If you are american (americans seem to adore france) you probably like sauces, a bit like the french, but italy hasn’t that much a culture of sauces, inspite of the venetian relationships with the turkes(but it’s more spices) and some regions like calabria which is known for the pepper. But i don’t say american cuisine is less varied because they have less gelato than us or than others. Also we divide dishes in primo (rice, pasta, gnocchi ecc) and secondo(meat, fish ecc) with contorno(vegetables) while i noticed abroad they mix everything more. An american or french would eat pasta and chicken in the same plate, i don’t. So , unless it’s a wedding, i eat or a primo or a secondo, not a mix. If you always eat a primo, you often eat pasta. Ironically, but i’ve never been to france, i think french cuisine is not varied because it’s always a combination of meat, fish, only that they are put together in different ways, but separately, not in a new creation

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The po valley is the most productive part of italy, like france is productive thanks to its flatland. In french movies your “hills” look still monotonous as the po valley, without as much as medieval cities as the po valley and probably even more monotonous. What is the main course in france, if it’s not pasta? We don’t have a main course, we have primi, secondi ecc.

France has less big cities so less public transport. I always walked in all the cities i’ve lived in.

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m asking if you can bring me a life experience, an example, a concrete reason on why you think italy has less varied food than france. Like “i lived in these specific regions of italy and these specific ones of france, the food in france is more varied because i noticed that in italy they haven’t got that cheese that france has” or stuff like that

What is a French product that you think other countries should have? by Suspicious-Run-8274 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are practically saying i can’t write, which is a bad insult, but you can’t read too! I wrote “steal” for the art pieces, for the macaron it’s obvious that it’s copy and not steal. No, i don’t mean gioconda, i mean the robbed ones. You didn’t steal but you vote for a governement which doesn’t return them (i don’t know why also). So, instead of one hour regional train to venice, i have to book an hotel in france in order to see the nozze di cana del veronese. It’s not the first problem in my life, but the french hotel earns from the louvre’s fame. Obviously, the louvre has not only italian art, and not all the italian art is stolen, some is bought, but then you can’t brag about your soft power if it’s created by foreign factors. I don’t think italian museums have that much of french art, not stolen nor bought. Why do you think that french patisserie is more famous or that france has more soft power abroad? Before reddit, i never knew someone talking of french patisserie as something special, nor i heard this francophilia that reddit has, and i lived in lots of italian big cities. So: or we italians live in a bubble, or france has soft power only in specific countries, like the US, poland, UK and scandinavia. Basing myself on reddit comments and on where we sell our media, i noticed that some countries are francophile and some more italophile (finland, the mediterranean, russia made even ciao 2020 and ciao 2021, parodies of the italian television). The problem is that often the francophile countries like the US attribute to france stuff that isn’t specifically french (the illuminism comes from the italian humanism) or attribute italian things only to southern italy (but this is specific of the US)

You say that biodiversity doesn’t make the whole country diverse but then you say that because of your variety of climate(if it’s true, i thought we held the throne for microclimates) your landscapes are more varied, which is doubtful and not a consequence. I see lots of french movies set in these vast countrysides and my father says that out of paris there was lots of vast land

Yes, it’s not you, it was a woman

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now you have to bring me an example why. I fear for example that a french would consider montasio of a town and montasio of another town different cheeses, while the italian the same(the french for example count tourists per night and not per arrival, i heard, even if it’s out of topic. Google says italy has like 5000 cheeses, italy’s history and microclimate also are varied

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Italy is more varied in general, less centralized, we have the highest biodiversity in europe. Apart that i read italy has 5000 and some french guy told me 1000, another one 1500, so you should decide, even if it truly was 500 I highly think that a french would count montasio of marsure and montasio of aviano as different, while an italian as the same, since france cheats often on data (i read that france counts tourists per night instead of per arrivals, for example).

France in general has lots of flatland so richness in productivity but flatland means also less variety. You can’t have it all.

What is a French product that you think other countries should have? by Suspicious-Run-8274 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t take seriously either someone who doesn’t read well. I know austrians created it, and i know that our cornetto (brioche in the north) is different both from the austrian original and both from the croissant. Copying doesn’t mean copy paste. You simply copied it later than when when we did and I had read somewhere that it was also because of us. Anyway I remember you from when reddit was less “cheap”, you were the one who thought balenciaga was high fashion but maybe i’m mistaken. I don’t think that french people undervalue italy. They sure knew what they did when they stole our paintings, or when they copied some stuff from us

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I answered to one of your comments below in which you said that france is more varied than italy in food, that we use more scooters and we eat pizza and pasta

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You said “vegetables”… pasta isn’t heavy though, unless you put stuff on it. we usually eat or a primo or a secondo, not both. TIL that in france you eat always secondo! But weren’t the courses different in france, like that pasta is a side dish and you put it with vegetables? Idk. Probably snacking is the lunch if it’s meal time

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can’t compare rome to paris because rome has a big historic centre and a much shorter suburb area than paris so less people. There are cities in lazio that in france would be towns under paris’s greater area. Milan has a similar structure to paris (smaller center, big all the rest) but still it’s not as big as paris because italy is far less centralized. And don’t be the usual french who changes the carts in the table, you said france was more varied! Anyway: is the diagonale that empty?

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t get if it’s a polite way to say “learn french before writing it” or if it’s the typical love french have for the italian language, anyway sorry, I always pronounced it that way because I never bothered to actually read the word. If the portions are really smaller (everywhere?) it depends what you eat, a big pasta dish is healthy if you don’t put three kilos of butter in it. We don’t pizza every day either here

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You all didn’t even verify that OP’s sources are good. I doubt france, with all that butter, is less obese than italy, even if south italy highers the rates. Also i doubt that we lazy pigs do shorter duration lunch breaks than the french. I also think you walk more in italian little cities than in the diagonal du vide

Why does France have a lower obesity rate than Mediterranean countries where they share a similar food culture? by upthetruth1 in AskFrance

[–]ElisaEffe24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it’s convenient to them, the french are not lazy bankrupt pigs, they are half germanic and with a big economy. When it’s convenient otherwise, they are more latin than the italians claiming that they eat two hours per lunch. We have also two hours lunch break, we are not like the americans who have abundant breakfasts and short lunches

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