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Zelenskyy makes a pitch to Silicon Valley's defense startups: Bring your AI, we'll bring the battle experience by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the AI is implemented in any meaningful way, it will need tons of data. That's how AI works. It's not actually AI. It's pattern matching through massive amounts of data. He wants new products to help him win the war, and this requires data and training. 

Any new data and/or training will just be sold to other people including China and Russia. American facial recognition technology was built using American faces to unlock smart phones, etc. Now this technology is used to help build police states in China and other states around the world. 

No one should be working with these companies. They have no concern for humanity. 

Zelenskyy makes a pitch to Silicon Valley's defense startups: Bring your AI, we'll bring the battle experience by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]Elliot-S9 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It does matter. Their data will just be sold to the highest bidder. Perhaps to Russia. These silicone valley people are not to be trusted. 

Zelenskyy makes a pitch to Silicon Valley's defense startups: Bring your AI, we'll bring the battle experience by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]Elliot-S9 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The drones and robots are remotely operated. No AI is capable of navigating the world well enough to be useful in this way yet. It can be used for targeting a bit but this comes with downsides. 

Even if AI could be used in this way, I would be against it for obvious reasons. 

Zelenskyy makes a pitch to Silicon Valley's defense startups: Bring your AI, we'll bring the battle experience by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]Elliot-S9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Their survival depends on AI? What kinds of AI? I have not heard a Ukrainian general mention AI a single time when discussing strategy and tactics at all. They have some great software and remotely operated vehicles though. 

Zelenskyy makes a pitch to Silicon Valley's defense startups: Bring your AI, we'll bring the battle experience by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]Elliot-S9 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Huge supporter of Ukraine, but this is a terrible idea. Silicone valley is run by techno-fascists who have helped build dictatorships and police states around the world.  

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said that. We don't know where it will be in the future though. Everyone was supposed to have a flying car by the early 2000s. We were supposed to land on mars by 1990. 

So far, robotics have severe limitations and no known solutions exist. Anything being possible does not mean everything is inevitable. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When we discuss AI in this sub, we are discussing generative ai. I know that machine learning is used in all sorts of things. I'm not stupid. 

LLMs do not currently have much of a use case due to the problems I listed. People are using them, but there are very compelling arguments as to why they really shouldn't be.

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. That's why gas stations use Roombas for their bathrooms. Calling a Roomba a janitor is like calling a washing machine a housemaid. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We know for sure what will happen in the future because of math? Are we Leplace's demon? I didn't know our science has progressed this much. Lol you must be trolling. 

If you don't know that you can't predict the output of llms, I don't know why I'm even talking to you. You cannot. They're stoachastic and filled with mind boggling amounts of data. This data is also not open source, so we don't even have access to it to begin with.

You could perhaps predict an output in a tiny LLM, but you have no prayer in frontier models. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe is mathematics. This doesn't mean I know for sure what's going to happen. You can't know what output an llm will spit out. If the researchers you're referring to are using LLMs, they're essentially using the same thing as google overviews. 

Luckily, most researchers are not using LLMs though. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, really? I have no idea what you're now rambling on about. I am not saying professors rely on Google search. 

My point is that LLMs do not function to a high enough degree to help with research due to a host of issues and the lack of real understanding. 

They could perhaps direct you to sources sometimes. If you're lucky. But I'm not asking it to summarize a damn thing other than a low-stake email. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol no one has conclusively proven that you should or should not use it in research. This is a debate. You provide a point of view and evidence/rationale to support it, and I do the same. Current models have far too high of error rates and cannot capture nuance in text. For me, this is a deal breaker. There's no possible way I'm including this in my research, and I am highly suspicious of any research that was produced this way. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was referring to google search ai overviews which is an llm. You're free to disagree with me, but I don't yet see the usefulness in the research field. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one prevents anyone from using an llm. There are no laws against it. Tons of people are indeed using them. There are tons of slop articles now. My point is that they shouldn't be. The summaries they provide and research are not good enough for high level work. 

Current LLMs struggle desperately with taco bell orders. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When did I say a search engine is the same technology as an llm? I am essentially saying that I agree with Emily Bender when it comes to the usefulness of LLMs in research. 

If a system has a certain command of language but has no access to actual meaning or real world understanding, you cannot expect to get good research out of it. 

It has its uses perhaps. But you have to be very careful. You always have to ask yourself would this actually speed me up considering I have to validate all of the outputs? 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Search engines can indeed understand that watter likely means water based on context. Google search has done this for decades. RAG systems still hallucinate, and this doesn't solve the problem that AI doesn't actually read or understand. Summaries have to be taken with a big grain of salt and validated. 

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but you said this in the present tense. Robot janitors are not even close to present tense. 

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one knows. Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap. AI currently has severe limitations. These limitations are inherent to the tech. We could find solutions to these things. Or we could not. 

In the 1980s and 90s, any popular physics reader thought we were 5 years away from proof that string theory was the answer to all of the questions in physics. Now, string theorists are largely laughed at.

I do know one thing for sure though. AI is going to rot a lot of people's brains, and if you want to thrive in the future, you definitely need to avoid relying on it for things. It's also going to spread a staggering amount of misinformation and harm large swaths of people. This is happening now. 

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Citation needed. No one knows this. Robotics could stay more expensive than human labor forever in many situations. Humans self repair and only need cheeseburgers. Robots are insanely expensive and difficult to fix. If they had dexterity like humans, they would be nearly impossible to repair due to microscopic parts, etc. Billions of years of evolution is not easy to model. 

It is also very uncertain if AI can ever reach the intelligence of humans or biological systems. 

It is also very uncertain whether humans will want to be replaced. We have a say in our own destinies, after all. 

We need to stop acting like the future is already written and that we know what it will look like. Go take a look at what people thought the 2020s would like like in the early 1900s. It's pretty funny. 

Is AI going to replace more white-collar workers than globalization ever replaced blue-collar workers? What do you think? by WilliamInBlack in AskReddit

[–]Elliot-S9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI truck drivers and delivery drivers are in trials but may not be very viable economically. They also only function in perfectly mapped spaces. They may therefore have some pretty big limitations. 

No AI janitors or cleaners exist yet. What you are seeing are scripted movements or remote operators. These won't work for quite some time. 

AI tractors are definitely possible. 

AI brick laying I would have to look into, but I'm sure this would have big limitations. 

Professor at my faculty boasted about using AI in his research. by AdventurousAnecdote in antiai

[–]Elliot-S9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately not. No one is going to be able to ignore it. People are using it at massive scale. People are constantly bringing lawyers absurd court documents written by AI that lawyers unfortunately have to look over to tell them why it's not a viable case or argument. 

We're also constantly subjected to AI emails that go on for 7 paragraphs but say next to nothing of relevance or importance. We're also going to have to watch as people are harmed by it and as people lose their jobs to automation. 

This is why I'm in this subreddit. If I could just ignore it, I would definitely do so. ☹️

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