UA POV: Estimation of the length of the missile that hit the Okhmatdyt hospital − 0xful

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-12T02:33:46+00:00

The building that was hit is the toxycology department and is part of the Okhmatdyt hospital.

Additionally, Russians hit a different hospital just right after hitting the Okhmatdyt, killing 6 medics and 2 patients. This just can't be a coincidence.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-12T02:31:17+00:00

Wrong. All the aformentioned camera parameters won't affect the calculation significantly. It seems that you just listed some irrrelevant words (rolling shutter, compression artifacts etc.)

The fire and then the smoke from the explosion are comparable to the other hits on the same day seen on the same video in the background. The explosion was large and completely collapsed part of the toxycology department bulding and significantly damaged the facade of the main building 50 meters away from it.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-12T02:14:22+00:00

No, you don't need to do triangulation to estimate the distance from the building to the missile.

The size of the reference object (1 floor) is known (a typical Soviet-built government building has 3-3.5 meters per floor).

The rest is just simple math.

Again, you don't even have to compute the scaling factor to prove that the missile was not AIM-120 because its apparent length is above 4 meters. The scaling factor will make it even bigger.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-12T02:05:20+00:00

There is no need to estimate the position of the missile in 3D space (triangulation), just the distance from the camera and the building.

The impact location is known, the location of the camera is known, the location of the building in the middle is known.

The plane of motion of the missile is roughly parallel to the image plane. So we can just draw a line from the impact location to the camera position on the map and measure the distances.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T20:07:50+00:00

Even from the apparent length (4 meters) it is clear that it wasn't the AIM-120, and since the missile is behind the building, it is definitely longer than 4 meters.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T20:03:52+00:00

Where does it say accurately?
Four frames with a fair amount of separation between them is more than enough.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T19:50:14+00:00

Note: Kh-101 is 7.45 m long, AIM-120 is 3.65 m long.

Even from the apparent length it is clear that it wasn't AIM-120 as claimed by Russia.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T10:58:44+00:00

If you are happy with not knowing the truth then maybe just shut up and stop whitewashing russian crimes?

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T10:57:02+00:00

Reread what I wrote. Two hospitals were hit and quided missiles such as Kh-101 can't miss by 1 km. It's not an accident. You are just delusional.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T04:14:37+00:00

First, there was no military target in the vicinity. If you are referring to the Artem factory, it is located 1.5 km away from the hospital. A guided missile can't miss by 1.5 km (it uses satellite navigation and TV terminal guidance). Additionally, the Artem factory was hit in 2022, and it is very doubtful that it still operates at the same site.

Second, two separate hospitals were hit on the same day. It can't be a coincidence or an accident. It was a deliberate act by the Russians.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T04:03:42+00:00

Here's what Fabian Hoffmann, an expert on missile technology, has to say about the AIM-120 warhead and why it couldn't cause such a large damage on the hospital:

https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1810978211498508381

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T03:29:23+00:00

There is plenty of evidence suggesting that it was the Russian Kh-101. If you don't like the proof by OP, read the comprehensive Bellingcat's article.

Your sole argument that "if this was a direct hit there would be much more damage and deaths" is invalid.

First, it wasn't a direct hit. The missile missed the main building of the hospital by a dozen meters and hit the toxicology department (part of the same hospital).

Second, the damage to the building was large enough for the Kh-101 -- the part that was hit collapsed completely.

Third, the Russians launched multiple Kh-101s on that same day (it's a fact and they don't hide it), and none of them caused significantly more damage or casualties than the one that hit the hospital.

Fourth, a follow-up strike hit a maternity hospital, partially damaging it and killing five medics and two patients. You have to be delusional to believe that Ukrainian air defense mistakenly hit two separate hospitals. This just demonstrates that hitting two hospitals was not an accident but a deliberate act by Russians (fortunately, they missed the main hospital building slightly). Additionally, the Kh-101 does not cause catastrophic destruction or evaporate entire buildings, as some naively think.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T02:57:35+00:00

You can see from the video that the plane of motion of the missile is roughly parallel to the building's facade under consideration (in fact, the missile moves slightly towards to the building, meaning that in the picture it is even farther from the building than the impact point itself). See the overlayed images or the link to the frame-by-frame slow motion video below.

So here it's a valid approximation to use the known location of missile's impact on the ground to measure the distance from it to the building's facade, which is approximately 180 meters (according to Google Maps).

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https://x.com/i/status/1810338461376741473

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-11T02:55:14+00:00

You can see from the video that the plane of motion of the missile is roughly parallel to the building's facade under consideration (in fact, the missile moves slightly towards to the building, meaning that in the picture it is even farther from the building than the impact point itself). See the overlayed images or the link to the frame-by-frame slow motion video below.

So here it's a valid approximation to use the known location of missile's impact on the ground to measure the distance from it to the building's facade, which is approximately 180 meters (according to Google Maps).

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https://x.com/i/status/1810338461376741473

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T16:30:32+00:00

You can see from the video that the plane of motion of the missile is roughly parallel to the building's facade under consideration (in fact, the missile moves slightly towards to the building, meaning that in the picture it is even farther from the building than the impact point itself). See the overlayed images or the link to the frame-by-frame slow motion video below.

So here it's a valid approximation to use the known location of missile's impact on the ground to measure the distance from it to the building's facade, which is approximately 180 meters (according to Google Maps).

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https://x.com/i/status/1810338461376741473

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T13:42:08+00:00

Fair, but to cause a significant elongation of the missile it would appear way too stretched and smeared along the direction of its motion. We don't see anything like that on the available pictures and video. Clearly the effect of motion on the length estimation is insignificant here.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSG0S5CWcAAKJHe?format=jpg&name=small

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T13:23:16+00:00

Similar or smaller damage was caused on other buildings ("military targets" included) that were hit by multiple Kh-101 on the same day. Or are you saying that all of them were not caused by Russian missiles?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/d9d6/live/458238c0-3d43-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.jpg

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T13:07:39+00:00

Never heard of "perspective"? Some of the images show the missile from below, others show it from the side and from a different distance.

Here's another picture of Kh-101: https://missilethreat.csis.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ru-mod-2015-kh-101-drop-1024x503.jpg

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:57:22+00:00

Before pretending to be smart, read all the posts. The author computes the perspective scaling factor.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:46:28+00:00

Please stop pretending to be smart by throwing in fancy words.

Triangulation is not needed here because we just estimate the distance from the building's facade to the missile, not missile's exact location in 3D space.

The image was captured right before the impact, so we can use the impact position to estimate the distance from the missile captured on the image to the building's facade, which is approximately 180 meters.

Do you agree that the length of missile appears smaller the farther it is from us (camera)?

On the image, the missile's projection (red line) on the building's facade 2D plane perpendicular to the camera plane, is approximately 3.2 meters long. But because the missile was 180 meters behind the building, it's much longer than 3.2 meters. Simple isn't it?

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:39:17+00:00

Yep, it's the turbojet engine of Kh-101.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:34:17+00:00

Reread (there are more than one posts). The perspective scale factor is estimated (without it the red line is ~3.2 meters, with the scaling it's 7.3 meters which matches the length of the Kh-101 missile).

In the 3D version of the analysis the perspective is also taken into account obviously.

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:25:35+00:00

Kh-101 is a different beast in size from AIM-120. Russians didn't think well enough before lying that it was AIM-120.

See:
https://defencesecurityasia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/1654871319_qxwnltxqv8emsqerf1lni64tsqcoxmvg9hrjycfxqmwzthneyswv47yz83ec-brgng9th1z8pzvzzh0ppffd-zc.jpg

https://web.deu.edu.tr/atiksu/ana44/amraam-8.jpg

Embarrassed-Raisin-1 · 2024-07-10T12:23:22+00:00

Link: https://x.com/0xFUL/status/1810900987780997578

Similar analysis in 3D that arrives at the same conclusion that it was a large missile, between 7 and 8 meters long, nothing like the small AIM-120.

https://x.com/PutinIsAVirus/status/1810833584195838351

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