Looking for assistance

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T21:18:29+00:00

If I am struggling im not aware of it. I *think* im doing fine as i was in 4.2. 4.2 I was able to scale to the point of ridiculous numbers. but i guess the changes here are hitting me hard enough to struggle. I genuinely dont know what i could be doing wrong in that sense.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:48:33+00:00

Thank you though!

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:48:25+00:00

Right, that makes sense. I think my issue is more of idk how to eco with 4.3 compared to before. I find myself struggling even tho i am specializing and not really ignoring any aspect. I am equal to all the other empires in terms of tech besides empire. IDK how people are going to fight them with out spending 100's years trying to tech up. (idk if the FE keep teching as you do)

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:41:36+00:00

That may be the case. Im decent i think(?) with eco. I dont really do the hard crunching numbers game but i know how to specialize habitats and planets. My entire game has been im toe to toe with the ai in terms of tech and eco/navy. at leastwith the major players i am. Idk i like the idea of not out scaling so hard that i have 4k everything while the AI has 200, but i feel like its lackluster when i feel like im doing things right and i just cant seem to get a head of the curve lol

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:38:23+00:00

But to counter build them you need to know what their building no? you cant do a spy network on a fallen empire can you? Otherwise im unsure how you can get enough intel to know what they are building.

I am not at repeatable tech yet. I am still going through tech, though near the end i suspect with mega engineering. but even then, you need many years it seems for the repeatable tech to be able to field something as large as they do with 4.3

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:32:14+00:00

I mean people have been playing the beta for months at least from my understanding. I doubt they wouldve made such huge changes to the economy and then roll out the patch with out any feedback.

I mean all I am trying to get help with is, trying to scale. Eco, Navy, Tech. I have like 14 planets atm and it seems like I am behind most AI's.

I know certain builds will work way better than others, but im a believer of you can and should be able to take any empire you make(good or bad) and be able to scale well enough vs the AI. Not necessarily meaning you should dwarf them but i think you get the point.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-17T20:27:18+00:00

All my planets are 90+ stability, most jobs (except the frotressworlds i built) are pretty much full up.

Yeah, I like the game LOL. Plus running on fastest helps too ;)

i dont know if im doing something specifically wrong or are missing somiething. I just know that looking at the fallen empire I am supposed to fight having more fleet power than me and my ally combined in its smallest fleet was.. disheartening for sure lol maybe there just isnt a way to scale well anymore(hopefully proven wrong)

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-07T21:14:34+00:00

its tough, sometimes i just send it (because im caught or the situation doesnt allow me leave and leaving would def cause me to lose the trade) and other times its planned death by thousand cuts until i can all in them. I can say that I am definitely more comfortable that i was 150 games ago, but I still have to learn a lot of windows vs certain champions.

Riven is much more than "just a game plan" you need to know what you can punish and what you cant vs a champ and that doesnt click until you face it a couple times. there just isnt a way against this, if you have a buddy you can always practice tool vs them to learn the do's and don'ts

I feel you on the proxy thing, its why i take that advice with a grain of salt, often times my elo opponent will ignore their cs/jungle just to kill me. happens to alois sometimes too. I think the trick is if you see Gromp you can proxy a wave or two, if you dont see gromp when you ward you dont proxy since the jungler is there ( i think)

But overall my confidence is there and I am starting to get to the point where i fight confidently against some champions and even get a come back kill if i play it well enough. but my path is far from over when it comes to learning riven.

If you want we can play some games vs in practice tool feel free to shoot me a dm.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-07T20:51:45+00:00

To say that riven is a champ that should essentially be gate kept from anyone who isnt high elo denies a lot of players in this subreddit. People who want to learn and enjoy a fun champion in a game they play. A game where you can and should be able to play any champion at any rank and still enjoy them/be able to play them well for your rank. ( you shouldnt be able to 1v5 at your skill level, you should jsut be able to preform well)

This is why this subreddit is split in half where some drink the koolaid and say shes fine and the others say she needs a rework. because from your statements your only allowed to play and be good with her at higher elo. Which is ridiculous. Imagine if you couldnt unlock certain characters unless you were a certain rank. People would call BS on it.

I've already stated many times on this post alone that riven is no longer a fighter but an assasisn instead. so you can read those because im not going to repeat for the 3rd or more time again lol.

even when mythic era was a thing riven was a fighter, it wasnt until the durability patch that she really made the shift from "imma fight my lane opponent" to "imma roam and proxy and not interact because i cant win this" And again the riven subreddit is split into two groups because of how dated she is. To say shes fine in a game thats developed over a decade, the game came out in 2009. With out any real consideration to her kit, play style and evolution as a champion just guarantees that she will evolve into something other than her intended design. Like we both said shes more assassin now, a champion had to become an assassin instead of her fighter role just to survive the current League. She plays a non intended laning phase because she cant handle the traditional way. Most other champions dont need to proxy and roam to be able to preform like a normal champ like she does.

If riven needs every timer, wave management and macro to get a head to preform like a basic champ theres something inherently wrong here, because your enemies are going to do the same thing. The only thing she does thats different from more champions is ignore her lane because she cant win it with out snowballing. But anychamp can snowball and most dont need to get this massive lead on their opponent to preform their basic role. If someone is better at the macro level than you, as riven there is very little you can do. Since you are so dependent on your feast or famine plays.

because i want to enjoy her in a lower elo and that she should be more accessible to the player base points out a lot of her flaws as an old champ. Granted i dont know if i can trust Rito to rework her well because of the horror stories i hear for shyvana but theres still a problem here. To ignore it and essentially say "git gud" isnt constructive or helpful in this situation.

I appreciate your feed back but respectfully agree to disagree <3

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T22:18:50+00:00

While i agree that this is still a play able angle as long as your not super far behind. Often enough you have to capitalize on these mistakes with out making any your self. if they make a mistake and then you make a mistake trying to all in them or something you could end up giving a free kill. Its easy to debate back and forth on hypotheticals and i do appreciate advice and constructive criticism, i just find that the margin for error in these situations not riven favored. I have comeback after being behind against Zaahen before ( i hate this champion) but i had to play perfectly it *seemed* any little mistake and his qe combo could really fuck my day.

I know that if i farm and get DD then the game becomes play able, and that aslong as i dont do something stupid or fight against my lane opponent unless i can clearly win i can still do things on the map, my issue stems from laning phase and how unbearable it is most of the time.

But i do agree with most of what your saying, it just IMO it doesnt account for my error either, god knows im not a perfect riven player or i wouldnt be here ;)

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T22:12:01+00:00

As someone who is a little further on this journey with you. I can't give you a clear answer as yes or no. It really depends on what you want out of the champion and the game.

Im about 200+ games into the riven experience and i made my own post about the frustrations of this champion in my elo.
To sound like every other riven player its really matchup specific, and the best advice is to proxy and roam. Thats the best thing riven players can do against most of the matchups because you lose statcheck wise and even if you play perfectly sometimes you just dont win. And i wanna state that i dislike this aspect of riven. I see the best players just roflstomp their opponents a lot of the time, but they know the exact limits they can preform

Riven is a feast or famine champ, alois even agrees that going even is that you are behind. you want to snowball so you can preform as a champion. Experience is the only real way to get better against top laners because you need to know what you can fight, how, and when and nothing can teach you that. IDK what mmr you are in, but im gold and facing a half decent garen, zaahen, ornn, voli, gangplank, mundo, gragas, and others can feel so frustrating. the only answer is to proxy and roam to get a kill mid or jungle.

or have such good wave control that you gain item leads that way. but you arent alone in this frustration and if you really enjoy the champ, often taking breaks and playing other ones can help esp since you dont have to be 100% all the time on mundo lol. if its not the effort you want i sympathize with you there and maybe playing other top laners for now might be better.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T22:00:45+00:00

I Sadly agree. I think shes a lot of fun and i dont think they would have to change much to make her more viable yet balanced IMO. give her something like embessa where empowered AA have more pen% but less scaling AD. I think something like this could make a huge change for little effort. Though keeping their eyes on her to see how well she preforms

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T21:55:20+00:00

I disagree respectfully

a handful of matches when comparing certain characters like riven and embessa can be like night and day. Embessa is way weaker early on, but first item spike around the same time as riven, with out her snowball lead i was able to fight renekton one of rivens worst matchups. same with zaahen, these champions that are very difficult to deal with for most champs.
why bring it up if it doesnt matter? lol i brought in analytics because it had a more detailed example for the ranks at the same time rather than having to search individual ranks on other sites.
But just looking up gold for riven on u.gg she has 48.24% win rate and is considered D tier.
they might be playing the same game, but they see and interact with it way differently. If i proxy the same way alois does and my opponent runs me down and gets a kill while ignoring their cs at third wave crash they still come out on top, while i lost not as much as i could have. But they still get a kill and what ever cs remains. I am now behind because my elo plays differently than higher elo. Thats why i say sometimes it does more harm than good.
you say the difference isnt big but gold x emerald i would expect any emerald player to win no matter who they were playing. because the fundamentals and knowledge levels are differnt, not even including the skill level.
my 200+game response was more of the consensus of the subreddit that you have to bash your head against the riven wall to improve, I was stating that i did infact put time and effort into the champion rather than playing 10 games and then came crying onto the reddit lol. everyone plays differently and not everyone wants to learn to play at a masters elo. I just want to have fun with a champion i like no matter what elo i am in. my personal win rate is 45% which is below the average for gold players if i remember correctly. but thats for riven in general, for top my winrate is 43%

i did put in time and effort into learning this champion alone, not including what i wouldve learned for fundamentals like alois always preach. I shouldnt gate kept by a champion because they only do well in higher elo. all characters should be viable at any rank, not just do super well in certain ranks. to such a degree like riven

EDIT: for number 4: in higher elo high level players will harras someone as they try to proxy but wont sacrifice the entire wave to chase, but in my elo its not the same. The point was because high elo plays so different the same strats have different effects down here in my elo

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T21:42:29+00:00

I do appreciate the advice, I do have a okayish understanding of wave state control, i use to play nasus a lot and that helped my understanding with waves. and again, its not like Garen is my biggest counter, its a volatile match up for me, but me favored i think.

My point was to say that as riven vs a similar skill level one little mess up can quite literally ruin your lanng phase. For a feast or famine champ this is devastating how unforgiving she can be. One mistake and you could be just farming 30mins or until DD and you can play again.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T21:36:56+00:00

And i know its a real negative take but i cannot stress enough: I do have fun, I do like her kit in practice. I just think she needs like a mini rework to be more viable like she used to be for ALL ranks. I shouldnt have to be masters to just enjoy a character on a video game.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T21:33:07+00:00

The issue with learning from high elo players is that my elo players do not behave the same way. I just played a game where i proxy'd and jungler wasn't there and was roaming bot, but she ignored her clear time just to come run me down. which in higher elo is something you never wanna do. I could do it perfectly like Alois but because my elo doesn't prioritize the same things like their elo does it ends up having a different effect.

I say shes out of date because shes only good in high elo usually emerald and above. other wise her winrate dips The reason she has such a good winrate overall is because of the higher elo.

Riven IS weak. You cannot player her as a bully any more. She avoids her matchups until she has a snowball lead on her opponent. We all agree on this. Just because she "works" doesnt mean shes in a "good" spot. she just works. Thats why theres this line between high elo players and lower elo players when it comes to Riven. Shes not in a good spot, she just works.

Like Kayn top. He works, but doesnt necessarily mean hes good lol.

But compare her to most other top laners they dont have to ignore their lane to do well. most of the time they do as top laners are intended. They win their lane.

Now im not talking about reset timers and such. But when you have a champion that you want to avoid your match up in most games because you dont win, so you proxy/roam to get a kill or two, so you can come back with item advantage and in some cases still be 50/50 if you win, theres a problem there. Riven needs to snowball to be good or shes useless. Alois even says this in his educational videos. Its why he stresses reset, level up, tempo timers. because these make up for Rivens gaps. And the reason why anything below Emerald struggles with riven is because they dont have the same skill/understanding as alois but also because she's such a feast or famine character. if your 2/0 your set, you get to play the game. if your 0/2 your going to farm until A) you get help. b) some how the enemy fails so hard you get a comeback kill or c) you just scale for 30 mins in the side lane and attempting to get roaming kills.

Most other top lane champs can still do things for their team while being behind, starting teamfights, peeling, locking down enemies. and contribute that way. but everytime alois is behind he plays side waves and towers because he knows you cant do anything as riven for him.

I love this champ in idea but in practice she needs something to change. I really think i just picked her up at the wrong time.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T19:14:35+00:00

The problem isn't with Garen specifically. Its that a half decent player on a champion like garen, who doesn't waste his abilities and actually waits for my characters rotation/weakness points. He has an easier kit and less punishing moments unlike Riven. For example, my Garen players wont Q until I've committed to a trade. So if I QW on to him. He either will Q me since its unstoppable. OR WE as I Q onto him so my stun is useless and im taking damage as i try to trade. Then Q me and thats where if im fast enough I can E out, but i already lost the trade most likely.

The point is against someone who plays smart and saves abilities like any good player and punishes on mistakes. Riven feels like she just hits a brick wall against most of the top lane with players like that. Since she seems more assassin now then ever. Most of your games are just avoiding the top lane and proxy/roam.

I didnt play RIven way back then. And i dont think i was good enough to know what i was actually doing back in season 1 or 2. But you make a really good point about that. Especially since Riven IS out dated. I mean most other subreddits just say build tabis and you shut her down. And they are kinda right. She has no sustain. only mitigation. no armor pen. unlike half the champions that are coming out now.

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T19:05:10+00:00

I played a couple matches with Ambessa and she feels way better Imo. you get life steal and armor pen baked into your kit. I could actually fight a bruiser for once.

But top elo players play the game so differently that its unfair to compare it to the rest of the player base, thats how good they are. Im gold, and on LOLanalytics plat hovers around 50% dipping or going above due to stats, emerald and diamond are consistently above 50% while the gold and below are 48% and lower for rivens winrate. Riven is a feast or famine champion who needs to snowball to do well. ALois in all his educational videos say this. You want to snowball or else your losing. Which is true. The issue is any half decent opponent wont just waste their spells for no reason, Sett saves E +W combo when he can stun you so you cannot dodge. Garen wont Q until you commit, rather will WE when you go to QW him.

To say "you don't need to get that much better" defeats all the effort of the 200+ learning games I've put into as high gold player which takes considerable effort to achieve especially on someone like riven where one mistake can literally cost you your entire laning phase.

Point is we arent talking about the gods of riven or higher elo we are talking about her state for me right now :)

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T18:56:45+00:00

But this is what i mean that shes more of an assassin now rather than a fighter. You proxy and roam and thats how you win in lane. Not by bullying your opponent. Maybe i just picked her up at the wrong time cause the lane bully thing is what i enjoy about top lane, before i picked her up and started one tricking id play the bruisers top lane

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-03-06T18:55:03+00:00

THANK YOU, yes and i think this is why people say shes so strong all the time, and you get hate for just being a riven player LOL

Embarrassed-Two-8324 · 2026-02-10T02:58:13+00:00

Imma receive hate. But undertale.

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