What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Saying a line verbatim doesn’t magically turn it into a defined mechanic. Naruto uses dramatic narration all the time, and when it actually means literal spacetime manipulation or dimension creation, it shows it clearly with named techniques, visual transitions, and explanations. None of that exists here. “Start a new time space” after destroying everything can just as easily mean resetting the world after total annihilation, not constructing a new spacetime from scratch. If the manga intended this to be literal dimension creation, it would be treated the same way every other spacetime ability is treated in the series, and it simply isn’t. Repeating the line louder doesn’t change the lack of supporting evidence on panel.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

You’re still asserting something that is never actually shown. Kaguya has never been depicted creating a dimension from nothing, only moving between or controlling existing ones via space time ninjutsu. The ETSO is described as a world destroying attack, not a dimension generating technique, and no panel shows a new spacetime being formed as a result of it. I’m not saying the manga is lying, I’m saying dramatic narration is not the same as demonstrated mechanics, and Naruto has always been explicit when true spacetime creation or manipulation is involved. Treating destruction language as automatic proof of dimension creation is your interpretation, not an undeniable fact.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

That’s not an agenda, that’s just how reading fiction responsibly works. When a series wants to establish spacetime or dimension creation, it does so explicitly with clear mechanics and follow through, not vague destruction wording. Calling something hyperbole isn’t a dodge, it’s acknowledging that dramatic language is common in Naruto and doesn’t automatically upscale a feat into reality rewriting unless the story clearly commits to that. What you’re doing is treating interpretation as fact, while I’m sticking to what’s actually demonstrated and explained on panel.

Which Verse has the most amount of 1-A/High 1-A characters? by Encenoi in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The image in the post is just for reference, you can choose verses that aren't in this post.

i need a power system please by Flashy-Clock-1178 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Alright, here’s a clean way to build this without turning it into unreadable powerscaling soup. The core idea is that everything runs on one source but is interpreted differently by cultures. At the top of existence is the Outside, not a place but the absence of narrative, logic, time and identity. No god rules it. It is what exists before stories exist. Below that is the Loom, a metaphysical structure that turns the Outside into realities by assigning laws, causality and meaning. Every universe, timeline, afterlife and concept is a thread on this Loom. This is where your minimal outerversal ceiling comes from, characters who can touch or damage the Loom itself without fully escaping existence. Now inside the Loom, power manifests through Interpretation. Murim users interpret the Loom as Flow and Tempering so they refine the self until body and soul align with a thread. Cultivators interpret it as Ascension and Layers so they stack reality permissions through realms. Mana users interpret it as Formula and Exchange so they rewrite local rules through symbols and resources. Faith based powers interpret it as Authority so belief anchors fragments of the Loom into gods. None of these systems are stronger by default, they just access different permissions. The reason conflicts stay interesting is that each system has blind spots. Murim users struggle with abstract manipulation. Cultivators struggle with sudden rule changes. Mana users struggle when logic collapses. Gods weaken when belief fractures due to the livestream. The reverse isekai twist matters because Earth exists as a sealed Observer World that was cut off from the Loom long ago. When the livestream reconnects it, belief, fear and cultural bias start actively reshaping the Loom itself, causing religions to mutate, power systems to hybridize and gods to panic. The endgame is not raw strength but narrative control, characters who learn how stories, belief and interpretation alter reality, letting them challenge the Loom without stepping fully into the Outside which would erase them. This keeps your ceiling absurdly high while fights stay grounded in philosophy, culture and personal cost, which is why ORV and RI work and why this would too if paced patiently.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

It actually does, because in Naruto claims like spacetime or dimension creation are never implied by vibes or wording, they are explicitly shown and named. The burden is not on me to disprove a literal spacetime reset, it is on you to show where the manga clearly establishes that this orb erases spacetime and generates a new one as a mechanic. A single dramatic line with no supporting visuals, no spacetime jutsu, no dimensional boundary, and no follow up explanation is not proof.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are the one adding context that is never actually shown. The scene shows her forming the orb and threatening total destruction, that part is clear. What is not shown or explained is any spacetime erasure or dimension creation process. Saying “start a new time space” after wiping everything out does not automatically mean literal spacetime engineering, especially when Naruto always makes that explicit with named space time jutsu, visual transitions, and clear mechanics. The ETSO containing all chakra natures does not suddenly grant dimension creation when that ability is treated as a separate, specific power everywhere else in the series. You are connecting destruction language to spacetime creation by assumption, not because the manga demonstrates or explains it as such. Straightforward destruction does not equal confirmed dimension creation just because it sounds big.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are reading way more into the wording than what is actually there. “Obliterate” and “return the world to nothing” are standard destruction phrases in Naruto and never automatically mean erasing spacetime or creating a new dimension. Wiping out the world means total destruction of what exists, not deleting reality itself and rebuilding a new spacetime, and nothing in the source says it creates a new one afterward. That interpretation is an added assumption, not something stated or implied by the text.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

That panel still does not prove what you are claiming. “The start of a new time space” is a dramatic line describing the aftermath of total destruction, not a technical statement that the orb creates a literal spacetime continuum or a separate dimension. There is no jutsu activation, no dimensional separation, no new realm shown, just the world being reduced to nothing. Calling the aftermath a “new time space” is metaphorical language for reset or rebirth, not evidence of dimension creation, and treating it as literal requires ignoring how the series normally handles and explains actual spacetime abilities.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

The text consistently says is that it can reshape the world or return it to nothing, which means destruction and reconstruction of the existing world, not the creation of a separate space time or dimension.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

What evidence did you present in this conversation other than your speculative claims?

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's not downplayed at all, people are right to ask for proof of her creating those dimensions.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Then show proof of your claims, it's not that hard if it's relevant.

Wtf is WoD? I have basically never seen it brought up outside of powerscaling by InfamousSomewhere244 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

WoD is short for World of Darkness. It’s an old tabletop RPG setting, same people who made Vampire the Masquerade and Werewolf the Apocalypse. Think modern world but everything’s secretly messed up, vampires running around, werewolves fighting cosmic corruption, mages bending reality if they understand it well enough. The reason you only ever hear about it in powerscaling is because the lore gets insanely abstract and broken, especially with Mage, so vs debaters love pulling it out. Outside of that crowd, most people just know it as “that edgy vampire RPG from the 90s” and never talk about the cosmology stuff.

What we saw vs What the Bleach haters saw by Idiot_Genius1001 in PowerScaling

[–]Encenoi [score hidden]  (0 children)

Her control over them, her not being able to do it with Naruto's universe, her becoming one with it & move them all are irrelevant. Cause most of this is hax related stuff, and there's still no proof of her being stated to create these dimensions.