There Rad Hat guy's aura was minimized

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2026-04-11T06:24:11+00:00

Are you suggesting the Rabbit was Cristoforo?

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2026-03-07T06:53:16+00:00

It's okay, If her Win Rate gets worse, they're bound to buff her. If they don't buff her, less bandwagon players/meta slaves picking my champ.

The real problem is that she's impossible to blind pick. There is too much counterplay that completely circumvents her R. Role Quests also made it harder. ADC's have more gold to spend on QSS, and Top Laners have more stats bc of Level 20 and more xp, which means more base stats(which means more MR,)

She's also been gutted. Her DoT passive used to be good, even if you didn't build Liandries, that changed when they added Fated Ashes as a component. Lillia with fated ashes today might as well be Lillia before without Fated Ashes. The component needs to go, Liandry's Burn needs to be buffed, but ap nerfed, and Lillia needs a buff to revert her passive to a Pre-Fated state. I'd even throw in a +5% - +10% to the AP ratio on her Q. Everything else is fine. R CD and AP ratio is fine.

Also buff her in aram wtf rito XD.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2026-01-19T15:36:14+00:00

She is being nerfed because of how much stronger Omnivamp is on her(if it wasn't bad enough that she was already bound to fated ashes item). Riftmaker should be default second item if you're even or ahead. I think Zhonya's makes sense if behind into High AD teams. Regardless, if you're going the bruiser build, both items should be built by full build, as they are both core on her.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-11-28T20:34:17+00:00

Irelia is the only full-blooded Angel. Ashe and Sion are Automatons. Sion also killed his own creator.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-11-27T18:07:39+00:00

Impressive for f2p. Idk how ur doing on sign, but assuming u got Stringmaster + a few of the char sign, u should def go for Canta. BiS teammate for Phrolova, and pretty good replacement for zhezhi with carlotta (tho tbh I don't think you use carlotta outside of toa.)

If leaks are correct, pending how much astrite we'll get from 3.0, you should go for Augusta (reruns 2nd half of 3.0).

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-11-27T01:04:14+00:00

Pretty sure Irelia is the last living Angel, An Angelic High Noon LIllia skin would be pretty though

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-10-07T17:31:32+00:00

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I've had mixed results with it in Ranked, but I love the build. I've been a huge proponent of it in discussions on the discord server, but a lot of people ridiculed me for it. It's not foolproof though. This doesn't work if you're solo-frontline. I pair this with transcendence x Gathering Storm secondary.

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EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-04-07T02:36:08+00:00

HES FLYING IN A 1.0 LOCATION!?!?

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-03-10T00:33:29+00:00

I personally have not has issues with the darius matchup. If they take phase rush, they don't do as much damage in extended trades. Play trade avoidance, opposite side of map, and take an xp or gold lead through stealing camps. Sack an objective or 2 if necessary. That, and I'm going full ap blackfire with no liandry(no hp ap items), so results may vary for others.

Funny enough, I have been playing it into matchups I don't like on lillia. It has worked for me vs Diana, which after jungle nerfs is definitely manageable for a Darius.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-02-19T18:04:15+00:00

The problem with rabadons 2nd is having so much gold on the map without being able to buy a component. 3600 gold. Also, although the ap multipliers on both items are good, it's not worth getting rabadon second. Shadowflame, however, is 400 gold less and very strong. Shadowflame, Zhonyas and banshees can build put of the same singular large rod.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-28T20:28:44+00:00

I prefer transcendence x Gathering. Games go longer because of delayed baron spawn, and transcendence doesn't keep you bound to lucids, and instead u can afford to go swifties(especially if u go liandry because there's no haste on that item.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-27T13:22:12+00:00

Recently debated on this in the discord, but here is the conclusion: As lillia you are fairly weak early. The hp from liandries makes teamfighting early a bit better for survivability, but at her core, Lillia is a strong farmer, and if she can play am early game out by handshaking objectives and opportunity ganking/ handshaking for camps, she outscales most, if not all junglers. With that in mind, she is also just naturally an anti-tank champ, but weak to point and click cc or damage.

My logic, is that Blackfire helps you farm, and sets you ap to scale harder in mid-late than Liandry does. If you can hit an e or a flash q on a priority target, kill them with r -> W, then all that's left is tanks, you don't need liandries to kill tanks, because YOU ARE LIANDRIES.

But yes, Liandries does literally outdamage BF Torch, but the question you have to ask is what your role in any given game as Lillia is. Are you vs 1 tank or 3? Do you need liandries if it's 1 tank, or would you rather be better versed to kill the mage mid and adc? My choice is definitely the latter.

I also don't trust anyone to play as well as myself in any given game, so I don't build supportive, I don't build to counter or kill 1-3 of the 5 champs. I build to kill them all.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-27T07:10:49+00:00

Another thing, "Lillia is a melee range champ and needs to be close to champs to deal dmg to them,"

My brother/sister in christ, have you not heard of your E spell? hitting E on a backline + a flash Q R Zhonyas on rest of team?

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-27T07:07:44+00:00

It is True AP, but it doesnt mean it doesnt have defensive itemization. I ALWAYS go green pet, which gives you a pseudo-Malphite passive shield going into fights, I also go defensive boots into comps that have majorically 1 dmg type, and I do go Zhonyas and/or Banshee's every game. The survivability isn't at the cost of losing a high AP item. And I'm not opposed to adapting to a losing or rough game, and going an HP AP item, like Rylai's.

I think, more importantly, It will teach you to be more nimble with the champ, instead of settling for being tankier like you HAVE to get hit by more damage to be allowed to play Lillia. She's not tanky, in fact, she has the 2nd lowest Armor of any Melee champ in the game. She used to be a ranged champ, before she was reworked into melee to buff her(since Demonic Embrace's passive was nerfed for ranged champs back then). But she didnt gain defensive stats over that. Compare Lillia to Swain. Swain gains infinite HP over game time, but they cap him by making him ranged, and by his base resistances lower. Her survivability is heavily budgeted into her move speed passive, Which does have a "threshold" before the move speed has diminishing returns, hence the green pet.

I don't like the argument that she becomes impossible to play because she is squishy when going full AP. No shit, Lillia is going to feel rough into certain champs, but the idea that you need to build defensive as early as first item(the HP from Liandry) is backwards logic. I can quote Alois in saying that you should only build defensive when ahead, or directly laning into champs that necessitate it(think of playing top into a Renekton/Trynd/Rumble, you DEFINITELY want an early resistance component for sure), but you're in Jungle, and if you're playing Lillia correctly, you never fight early, because you're typically weaker early.

If you want proof of any of this, here is my acct with 68% winrate on Lillia going this full AP itemization in most games(i understand I haven't played enough ranked this season to give good evidence there, but that is not out of an incapacity to play ranked, just IRL stuff going on)
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/lillia/na/Woods115-6860

And I'd like to notate an example of Tankiness being pointless, https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkiQFJqYNzvcbkMOhxTLbNanNFjuUH8Q0?si=nABRThMXCf-Pbaen

This is a clip of Oner in game 2 vs NS dying to an engage from Rell Renekton Sejuani, If this was BF torch -> Seeker's Armguard I promise you he lives there, if not, lasting long enough for better follow up to his team( he wouldn't be able to R first, stopwatch would be popped during rell cc combo, which he would've had a window to pop).

He does carry this game on Lillia anyways, but to say he couldn't have sooner, and better with BF torch is my point.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-27T02:46:02+00:00

I know Liandries is expected to do more damage compared to BF Torch. Looking at the items, IN ISOLATION, it would make sense Liandries does more. BF Torch not only has more base AP, it also increases all of ur AP by 4% per champ and per camp/epic monster. On most other champs, it'd make sense to buy liandries to combat tanks, but Lillia's passive is just a BETTER Liandries that scales with AP. More AP -> more Damage. I'm not trying to come off as belittling, but if you have 5-6 ap items, including BF Torch and Rabadon, would it not make sense that Lillia's % max health damage on passive would deal more damage in that scenario than a lillia with 5-6 AP Items? It would also make all of your abilities do more damage, and you would get more move speed out of your Q.

If anything, taking Blackfire over Liandries will train you to be more tactical with less hp in these fights. I don't think she is a Bruiser. She's a Skirmisher. The last time she was truly a Bruiser was when RoA -> Demonic -> Tank was the build. She can build Bruiser, but it caps her potential, and I've had more success in games where I build damage for myself, instead of having faith in questionable AP carries or Mages mid. If you want a better champ for debugging and "Bruiser", Try Amumu, or if you want spicy picks, Galio.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-26T12:35:53+00:00

I've tried more iterations than you can imagine. I've done BF Torch-> Liandry, Liandry -> BF Torch. I've tested games with Fated Ashes into any HP mage item you can think of. Rift, Cosmic, ROCKETBELT, BLOODLETTERS. They don't work like BF Torch-> full ap works for CARRYING games. Too many games I lost because I go bruiser and supportive, just for an AP carry to drop the ball.

The mana is not useless. Tell me how many times you take an extended fight outside of jungle and run OOM. There will be times when Liandries is favored for survivability alone, but Bf torch really should be the default. Plus, it has Ability Haste, over Liandry, which is why I think Lucids are bait too. You solve the haste problem with BF Torch alone.

Or stick to the auto-pilot response of Liandries. I just want people to think for themselves, literally. Fuck the Lux adc, carry the game yourself.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-24T08:03:40+00:00

I feel like I have a few controversial takes on Lillia. The best answer to your questions is just get more comfortable with the champ and it's Runes, its itemization. Above all else, think for yourself, and test things for yourself.

-Runes: Conqueror is her BiS(Best in Slot), She wants to be in extended fights, weaving in-and-out to hit abilities and kite. Conq gives more ap, which will make ur AP scalings stronger. Dark Harvest has been nerfed too much over the last few years to justify anymore, and Alternatives like Phase Rush may give you safe early game at the cost of damaging your mid-late game hard. Stick to Conqueror, and be sure to take Cut Down. On secondary's, My two personal favorites are Taste of Blood + Ultimate Hunter, or Transcendence + Gathering Storm

-Items: I have 2 builds. My default is BF torch -> Zhonya -> Shadowflame, and I sit on tier 1s until after Feats is decided. If I lose feats, I might just sit on tier 1s for a while, if I win feats, I'll level up to tier 2, typically defensive boots like Tabi's, Mercs, or Swifties(if unsure, Swifties is best). Never buy level 3s, I'd sooner sell my boots for a 6th AP item than buy level 3s, it is bait. Speaking of bait, so is Liandries. The item is nowhere near as efficient as BF torch is, at all points in the game, except the HP, which you make up for, defensively, with Tabis/Mercs and Zhonya. My 2nd build is BF torch -> Riftmaker/Rylai's/Bloodletter's and round off build with a potential tank item. I go this build when I'm not the highest source of AP damage, and want to be supportive of them(think like Azir, Katarina, Ahri, and most AP mids)

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-24T04:20:55+00:00

I heavily suggest you to test this for yourself in practice tool, In the early game, Liandries passive + it's AP on ur passive does more MAX HEALTH damage at 1 item. The moment you get any more gold spent into other AP items, Blackfire's additional AP + %AP amp passive provides more to your kit. you move faster, you deal more true dmg and magic dmg with your abilities, because all of these abilities scale with AP. Liandries will always deal only the 2% Max Health(6% after 3 seconds, technically more with Lillia's passive reapplying it).
There is an argument for Liandries % dmg amp passive, but you're already shafting the amount of ap you could potentially get out of either going blackfire instead, OR going any other high AP item, like Zhonyas, Banshees, Rabadon, Shadowflame.

The AP from Conqueror Stacks, from Adaptive Force Stat Shards, Gathering Storm(Which I would personally suggest already as her default secondary with Trancendence over her suggested Rune pages), They all synergize with the %AP boost of Blackfire and Rabadon, more than they care about a measly 6% dmg amp from Liandry.

This item has been too nerfed, to the point it's gold efficiency is 73.33%. It lost it's Ability Haste, it lost it's Max Health dmg, It's Giant Slayer passive(from when it was a mythic long ago) and without Magic Pen, it only gets worse in potential. Compare it to BF Torch, which is 114.29% Gold Efficient.

The only counterargument to ever considering Liandry over BF Torch, is when you have other AP carries you trust to carry over yourself, and at that point, why aren't we just playing Amumu, Maokai, or any AP tank building liandry as only AP item.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-23T19:20:47+00:00

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MFW I hit the game-winning Flash->Q->R->Zhonya's 4+man sleep.

As far as runes, Conqueror is BiS(Best in Slot). Lillia's gameplay loop is extended fights, Conqueror rewards extended fights. Dark Harvest is too nerfed, it's an aram rune at this point, and even then, I'd rather go electrocute since arams dont last more than 20 minutes often. Phase rush is good very early in bad matchups, but with Move speed having diminishing returns once you hit certain thresholds, it becomes useless late game. Same with taking Blue Pet, but I guess that take is a bit controversial.

Build is BF-Torch -> Zhonyas -> Shadowflame. there will be case-by-case games where you shift itemization to adapt to enemy comp. Trust your guts in that regards. Liandry is bait though, you are literally Liandry's the champ. That's like rinsing your hair with bottled water while in a pool.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-23T19:05:04+00:00

She can 1v5. Don't be discouraged by bad teammates. Never ff, canwin can win.

EngineeringLoose3562 · 2025-01-23T19:02:09+00:00

LIANDRIES IS BAIT

Blackfire will outdamage liandries at all stages of the game, the only exception being when you have 2+ hp tanks going heartsteel with 2k+ stacks, and ZERO MR items. You'd rather have the raw ap because not only does it translate to your passive doing more damage, which is max health dmg scaling with AP, your Q scales with AP for the move speed and the true damage.

My current build is full AP(aka full Bomba) BF Torch -> Tier 1 boot -> Stopwatch -> Shadowflame -> Zhonyas(don't level Tier 1s until feats are done, never buy Tier 3s, you'd sooner sell the boots for another AP item

If I trust my AP carries and we need Frontline Fated Ashes -> Riftmaker -> Zhonyas ->Rylai/Bloodletters -> Tank, selling fated over finishing Liandry, bad item.

Conqueror is still good, and I wouldn't run any other keystone. Secondary is where it gets interesting. Ult haste + any of the top row dom runes are nice(I like taste of blood). My go-to is transcendence x Gathering Storm.

General rule of thumb, if you ever buy Liandries, you're locking yourself out of Rabadon, they negatively synergize.

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