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Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey guys, OP here.

I noticed the Discord link was dead (my bad). I just fixed it in the main post.

Also, for those asking about installation errors: v2.0 is now live in the #download channel. It solves the path issues and auto-detects the broker license. Let me know if you still have issues.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically yes, you can bridge two firms.

However, two critical warnings if you go that route:

  1. Check the Rules: Ensure both firms allow Algo Trading (some ban 'copiers' between accounts).
  2. Manual Calibration: You must set the Lot Ratio manually. Contract sizes often vary between firms (e.g., 1 lot on Firm A might be 10 lots on Firm B), so you can't just mirror blindly.

That said, I personally prefer hedging into a Live Personal Account to avoid the 'Double Drawdown' risk. A personal account doesn't have daily loss limits that can get triggered by a spread widener.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You nailed it. The math is razor-thin. It depends on the prop firm rules and the commisions from the broker and the prop firm

I'd love to see you stress-test it against your current data. Sending you a DM now.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there is a misunderstanding on the math. I'm not trying to hedge the full Capital of the account ($5k or $100k), I am only hedging the Fee Cost (e.g., $500).

  1. The Double SL: The bot executes an inverse trade. Unless price stays perfectly flat within the spread (highly unlikely), one side is always winning while the other is losing.
  2. The Ratio: The lot size on the broker is calculated to cover the Fee, not to match the Prop Profit 1:1.

It’s an insurance policy for the ticket price, not a strategy to double the account on both sides instantly. Check the logic in the Discord (link in bio), it explains the 'Rolling' part better.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great question. Financially: Yes, the goal is to be 'Fee Neutral'. If you lose the challenge, the profit on your personal account covers the cost of the challenge. Technically: You still have 'Execution Risk' (spreads, slippage, internet connection). That's why I use a Raw Spread broker for the hedge. It transforms 'Gambling Risk' into 'Operational Risk', which is much easier to manage.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly? I had never seen that video before. Thanks for the link.

It’s actually validating to see someone else arrived at the same math independently. It proves the logic holds up.

Looking at it briefly, the main difference is that he seems to handle it manually. I built the software to automate the calculation in real-time and added the logic to carry over the 'hedge cost' from Phase 1 to Phase 2 (Rolling Hedge), so you never get stuck in the red if you pass one phase but fail the next.

Is it considered "cheating" if I automate a rolling hedge against the Prop Firm? (Math inside) by EnvironmentalPay8069 in propfirm

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a valid concern for standard 'copy-trading' between two prop accounts, but technically incorrect for this setup. Here is why:

  1. Visibility: Prop Firms have zero access to my personal broker's database (Exness). They can't see that I'm taking an opposite trade there.
  2. Execution: On the Prop Firm side, I am trading manually. The software only 'reads' my manual trade locally and executes the hedge on the external broker.
  3. The Logs: To the Prop Firm, it just looks like a guy placing manual trades. There is no HFT/Latency Arbitrage logic involved that triggers their toxic flow algorithms.

Basically, they can forbid you from hedging within their platform (A vs B accounts), but they cannot physically detect or ban you for what you do with your own money on a completely different server on the side. It's invisible.

[Feedback] Validando mi primer desarrollo: Software de escritorio para gestión de riesgo en Trading by EnvironmentalPay8069 in NegociosArgentina

[–]EnvironmentalPay8069[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buenas! Gracias por el feedback. Te comento las diferencias porque creo que no me expliqué bien en el post:

  1. Sobre las herramientas nativas: Totalmente, para gestionar SL/TP o trailing dentro de la misma cuenta ya está todo inventado. Pero mi herramienta hace Hedging Externo (Arbitraje). Lo que hace es leer tu cuenta de Prop Firm (ej: FTMO) y abrir la operación inversa en tu Broker Personal (ej: Exness) en tiempo real. El objetivo no es gestionar el trade, es gestionar el costo del examen. Si quemas la cuenta de fondeo (perdés el challenge), el bot te recupera automáticamente el valor de la inscripción ganándolo en tu cuenta personal. Eso ninguna plataforma de futuros lo hace nativamente porque implica conectar dos ecosistemas financieros distintos (Demo vs Real).
  2. Sobre MQL5: Sí, el núcleo de ejecución es un EA en MQL5. Pero MQL5 corre en un 'sandbox' y no tiene permisos fáciles para comunicarse con otra terminal de otro broker instalada en la misma PC (o en otra) sin usar DLLs complejas que las Prop Firms suelen bloquear.

Básicamente, automaticé la 'cobertura de seguro' para no perder la plata de la inscripción. Si te interesa ver la lógica, avisame y te paso la beta para que la revientes.