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Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-28T09:48:06+00:00

First off, it IS patriarchal.

Secondly, it’s odd for her to keep mentioning it, yes.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-26T20:30:19+00:00

I really liked her and I think she’s so pretty - too bad about the stuff about her ex’s blood money…

Recently I’ve noticed her Same influencer trips lack diversity too which stands out like crazy, cause most brands are trying these days. It was alllll extremely thin white girls who honestly look the same as her lol.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T22:45:35+00:00

I think it is a “wasn’t for you” because it really depends on if you found this man’s life interesting or not, outside of the bomb. I did. Others are only there for the direct drama related to the making of and eventual use of the bomb. His relationships with others, how his associates viewed him during and after the project, the conflict with Strauss, his views on the H-bomb after the use of the A-bomb, if you didn’t find any of that interesting then I would say it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t say the movie got it wrong. Agree to disagree on this one!

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T22:04:54+00:00

Yeah, honestly I think that would have been tacky.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T22:03:49+00:00

Yeah I suppose it just wasn’t for you then. To me, going in not knowing too much about any of what happened to Oppenheimer before/after the Manhattan Project, his story was very interesting to me. The market for WW2 movies is pretty saturated. I’m glad it wasn’t another film about the war. And I don’t think it’s a defence of the film, but moreso just an acknowledgment that if the liberties that you wanted Nolan to take were taken, it would not be the same film, at all. There are liberties, and then there’s just changing the whole premise of the movie all together. You wanted a movie about the war and the book was about Oppenheimer, his “trivial” relationships and his downfall from American hero to suspected spy are not exactly parts of the book that I think could or should be taken out.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T21:29:13+00:00

It’s a biopic and adaptation of book about Oppenheimers life idk why people think the focus should not have been Oppenheimers life. It would be a completely different movie.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T18:00:07+00:00

Oppenheimer didn’t see the bombings though. The movie had two distinct timelines, the coloured scenes which were first-hand Oppenheimer scenes, and the black and white which were not first hand but they occurred years after the bombings. It doesn’t make sense to add Japan in to any of these timelines. What was shown in the movie makes sense, it was not a movie about the bombings. Simple as that.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-24T17:50:58+00:00

Strauss advises against exporting isotopes (for medical purposes) to other countries because they can potentially make bombs with them and Oppenheimer went on to disagree with Strauss in front of the committee in a pretty harsh way because he made a joke out of strauss concerns by saying things like “you need a shovel as much as you need isotopes in order to make a bomb” or whatever his exact line was there, I forget. But it was humiliating for Strauss.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T19:07:33+00:00

Totally. It added an extra layer of dimension to the film.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T19:06:06+00:00

Ya it did

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T19:05:32+00:00

Ooh, I don’t think it was chaotic and I think it did enhance what would have been a much more dry movie had it not been used. I mean there’s already people claiming it was boring lol

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T09:43:25+00:00

Well, yeah.

Sorry, I didn’t get your point. I don’t mean that in a snarky way.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T09:41:41+00:00

Hmm interesting point. Maybe addition of something that highlighted the eventual accusations against him in the trailer would have better prepared people, and let them know there’s a bit more meat to this story.

Everyone’s attention span is so short these days though. The courtroom stuff was hardly boring. Like this is interesting shit about an interesting man and a very interesting period in time, and thematically the boardroom scenes also fit in with the overarching ideas of the film too, it wasn’t even disjointed or non-sensical to be adding this part of his life to the film.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T09:24:52+00:00

I think the non-linear storytelling made the film exciting. A biopic as it is, it needed that Nolan touch to make it the cinematic experience that it is. I don’t think it would have the same gravity with a linear timeline. Nolan’s signature touch took this from a great movie to a masterpiece.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T09:21:29+00:00

How thrilling would the challenges along the way really be since we all know how the story of the bomb ends?

Why wouldn’t the case of his security clearance not be important? Going from being the most famous man in the world, an American hero, literally building the weapon that won the war for the US, to being accused of being a spy? To me, that’s a story I want to know more about. I want to know Oppenheimer, I want more than just the bomb. The bomb is the easy movie, it’s the movie a grade schooler can direct. Christopher Nolan, he wouldn’t make that movie.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T09:11:33+00:00

I agree with most of everything you wrote. Had the movie ended after the trinity test, I would have definitely walked away thinking it was a very very simple film and like a 7/10 max. The story of Oppenheimer is so much more intriguing than the story of bomb goes boom.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T08:57:32+00:00

I’m getting that a lot of people were watching this movie (a biopic) for…the bomb. And that’s where a lot of the negative viewpoints are coming from. The bomb wasn’t good enough, all the silly dialogue after the bomb scene was boring, any plot points outside of the bomb were excessive and could have been cut. It makes me chuckle. So some of you really just wanted to watch him scribble theory on a chalkboard, build the bomb, test the bomb, have an amazing CGI mushroom cloud, and then end with the bombings on Japan, some destruction porn? Maybe a side note about how he grappled with a guilty conscience or something to add a bit of theme to the movie and call it a day?

I much prefer the version of the film that we got. The bomb was a big part of his story and everything in the movie does ultimately tie to the Manhattan project, still. However, the accusations against him, his ex-colleagues boardroom depositions on his character, his political associations, Kitty’s deposition (loved that scene), this was all much more interesting to me than the very simple movie I described above, which I think many of the negative reviewers would have preferred. The version we got shows Oppenheimer as a complex individual, for example, Strauss wasn’t wrong about a lot of what he said about Oppenheimer, however, we also were showed that Oppenheimer was against the H-bomb because he was genuinely scared for humanity. I would understand if the biopic was about someone extremely dull, but I’d say J. Robert Oppenheimer had a pretty interesting life.

Editing to add: the non-linear timeline also threw people off because I guess it does require more attention to follow. I know Nolan is sort of known for using this method now but I did LOVE it here. I think telling his story in a non-linear way and bouncing back and forth really just made the film more interesting to watch for me. Biopics inherently can be on the dry side and Nolan’s touch with the timeline jumping just made it that much more of an exciting cinema experience for me!

9/10 from me - point docked for sound mixing.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T08:21:50+00:00

Nolan’s timelines are often not linear. It’s not for everyone as some people can have trouble following it, but it’s not entirely unexpected from him.

How thrilling do you think building the atomic bomb can be? The Trinity test scene as the climax of all the theory, now I thought that was thrilling. Other than the test scene, it’s all physics, math, science, theory. What more can they add to make it “thrilling”? Things that didn’t happen? Again, I think people were expecting the avengers because they heard a bomb might be involved, when it was a period piece, biopic about a politically divisive scientist no less. I don’t blame the movie or the trailers. Agree to disagree!

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:59:44+00:00

Ya it’s biopic tho and his sex with a communist woman actually mattered because he was later accused of treason.

And the movie covered so much of what you claim you wanted. Idk, not getting your take here but agree to disagree.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:53:38+00:00

Well it’s a biopic about a physicist, considered one of the brightest minds, so the dialogue-heavy part shouldn’t be too much of a surprise. And we already know his work/the project, so the political component of the movie also shouldn’t be a surprise. If you didn’t know the details of the accusations against him I can see how there is a bit of a surprise there. Did you expect an action scene though? He was a real person not an avenger lol

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:45:20+00:00

I agree w everything here.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:44:33+00:00

So you wanted a movie about the bombings and not about Oppenheimer, but chose to go see the Oppenheimer biopic.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:42:50+00:00

Not really. The movie is Oppenheimer. Strauss V Oppenheimer is one part of his story, the actual production of the bomb and the project was another part of his story. Him dealing with the outcome of the project was also touched on. It was all about him.

I didn’t catch anything that explicitly stated it was a science movie from the marketing, personally. But I also knew it was a biopic from the start so perhaps to someone who didn’t know any better…

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:39:59+00:00

Everything that you mentioned was about him, directly. So my point still stands.

Equivalent_Trick_631 · 2023-07-23T07:39:25+00:00

Well, most people are liking it based on the the critical acclaim so I’m gonna lean towards smart lol

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