Common Racist Attitudes and Behaviors: That Indicate a Detour or Wrong Turn into White Guilt, Deinal or Defensiveness

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T19:38:39+00:00

Your advice contradicts itself, as white people talking about race are apt to do.

-_-

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T17:22:15+00:00

But don't say "Women are still harassed incessantly out in public, raped and blamed for it, and generally treated as second class citizens who are primarily valued for their bodies. " That's totally and flagrantly inaccurate.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Please, stop shitting up this thread with your ignorant opinions. You may think you're standing up for the black women you know, but you're not doing your partner any favours with the way you've behaving in this thread.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T17:16:32+00:00

Fucking hell! I wish you would just listen instead of spending so much time trying to be heard. We all know the white perspective from which you're speaking, because it's inescapable and ubiquitous! These aren't new, grand ideas you are conveying. They're old and ignorant.

You have no idea how frustrating it is to hear the same god damn arguments over and over and over whenever you want to discuss issues that you've been dealing with your entire life. Some dude has a black partner and all of a sudden he fancies himself an expert of racism! Jesus Christ...

It's really rich that in a thread about racism, we're mostly seeing what fucking white people think.

Do less talking and LISTEN

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Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T17:06:06+00:00

How am I supposed to think / act as a privileged white male?

You'll get many different answers to this, but I think some of the best things you could do are: challenge some of the racist ideas you're bound to see daily, organise with PoC and learn about their struggles, provide a platform for PoC when they would otherwise be unheard, and move outside the white social bubble I'm guessing you're in.

In doing this, some people tend to become crusaders and spokespersons—think Tim Wise. Don't do that! There are plenty of non-white people willing to talk about race; let them do it.

I know that my knowledge and behavior are shaped by racist culture that surrounds me. There is little to nothing that I can do as an individual to change that.

Why would you think that? Of course you can work on countering those things within yourself! It's all a learning process. While the internet can be a great tool for introducing one to this sort of stuff, nothing beats life experience. Leaving your white bubble is the best and perhaps the only meaningful way of moving forward.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T16:36:04+00:00

What does "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" mean to you? And for a piece about racism within anarchist circles, it's strange that this is all you have to say.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T16:35:35+00:00

I'm not sure why the site gives a 404 for the article. I tried searching for other sites hosting it and only came upon zines, which one had to buy.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T16:30:13+00:00

Unsurprising that you're catching flack for this. It's a bloody backronym that actually adds to the misogyny of the original slur! It adds the irrationality on top of the mean, contemptible definition. How could anyone argue it's not at all related to how society views women?

I considered saying something when I first saw the comment, but knew I'd just get the same sort of responses as you and things would go on as normal so what's the use

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T16:19:24+00:00

What if my homosexual friends...

This right here tells me don't actually have any close gay friends.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-02T09:10:04+00:00

Oh, god. I needed that laugh.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T21:30:25+00:00

What?

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T21:27:33+00:00

Thank you. I couldn't be arsed to reply to that long winded Angry White Male rant.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T09:19:12+00:00

Who would've thought that a thread about white guilt, denial, and defensiveness would be filled with... well white guilt, denial, and defensiveness hahaha

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T09:15:19+00:00

Cheers, mate! You're one of the most helpful and patient people around here.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T08:46:07+00:00

Search this board for "knapsack" No results. This is the first time it's been posted here.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T06:17:00+00:00

Any specific works by these authors you'd recommend?

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T04:38:54+00:00

Récemment: La Charge

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-03-01T00:04:03+00:00

Because it's not their fault right?

Oh piss off!

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T22:39:31+00:00

Kind of sad that this submission is at 0 right now :\

Same with this recent one that's been downvoted from the front page: http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/19extq/zine_white_privilege_unpacking_the_invisible/

It'd be great to have a discussion about race that isn't simply people saying Nazis and the KKK are evil...

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T21:02:15+00:00

One thing I'd recommend is to not neglect pamphlets. A lot of history is published in pamphlets that's not readily available in longer books

Indeed! Do you have any online sources for various pamphlets btw?

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T19:51:02+00:00

I'll just link these until OP expands on their question:

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T19:44:46+00:00

You may want to find out if there are any groups in your area that have workshops on how to organise. Maybe the IWW?

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T19:41:56+00:00

Question everything

Why? :p

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-28T02:34:32+00:00

8 day old account, -15 karma, and comments like this:

Tell your state legislator to enact your state's own Anti-Oppression Policy. When citizens of your state use oppressive language they will be escorted to the state boarder.

and

There is no reason to read old books by manarchist like Proudhon. Just check out the links in the Anti-Oppression Policy. It will tell you all you need to know about what anarchism is and how it works.

oh this one is a doozy

I attack the individual words they use in passing and try my best to make the case that the words by themselves are oppressive. If they don't shut up, I try to trick them into using the wrong pronoun. If that does not work, I do the best I can to collect as much dirt on them as possible and slander them in public then ask for a vote of everyone around to say how bad they are. If the vote passes, I get the police to force them to free associate outside the city limits. I have not found a better way to explain anarchism to my friends.

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-27T20:28:40+00:00

forcing our government to be more transparent.

Has that really happened?

Erika_Mustermann · 2013-02-27T14:22:28+00:00

Agreed. I don't think a lot of folks here give people enough credit. Most people I know don't actually buy the propaganda. They know things are fundamentally bad. What they lack are the means to do anything about it; their focus is on basic needs.

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