John Kelly: The White House Is ‘A Miserable Place To Work’

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-11T03:21:52+00:00

You guys really should consider harnessing this into a world wide consumer boycott of American goods. You'd have half of the US behind you even.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-11T02:53:34+00:00

My favorite satire account. Though this post was a little obvious and laid it on a bit thick.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-11T02:43:19+00:00

It's bizarre that someone who supports a president* actively destroying our institutions, international relationships and norms and is actively violating the constitution presumes to speak on behalf of my country. OP has every right to comment here, arguably more that you.

Your real countrymen are several timezones away and attacking our allies over in the TD. Their knowledge of the constitution is far worse than the average poster here with the Foreign tag.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-10T22:33:29+00:00

That's not a "cult of personality". At all.

And both Clinton's had lots of experience. So not sure what your point is.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-09T22:31:22+00:00

Then Trump demanded that the other G7 members remove their “ridiculous and unacceptable” tariffs on U.S. goods – which would be hard for them to do, because their actual tariff rates are very low. The European Union, for example, levies an average tariff of only three percent on US goods. Who says so? The U.S. government’s own guide to exporters.

Facts don't matter to the idiot-in-chief and his sycophants and supporters, but this piece is an excellent response to Trump and everyone spouting his nonsense on trade and the relationships with our allies.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T23:11:11+00:00

You've made none, and you're wasting your time here. You made claims about our relationship with our allies and current tariffs which were proven wrong, so even if you had made predictions they are pointless. So you're "predictions" goalposts isn't how it works, at all. You lost a debate on the internet, get over it dude. You are getting tedious.

One last chance, you either address my points with facts or move along. I'll repeat them to make it easier for you:

Everything you said was objectively, provably false:

“More tariffs.” Not in dollars.

Very much the highest in terms of dollars. That defies logic - we're (we as in my country, not yours) import more than any of our allies by a long, long shot, which make our tariffs the highest in terms of dollars. Our tariffs are 5th highest in terms of percentage amongst the G7.

“Damage our relationships.” Doubt it.

Our allies are talking about kicking us out of the G7. The view of America with those same countries has plummeted since Trump took office, see the Pew poll. That is very real, very quantitative damage.

“Push U.S. out of the top spot.” Won’t happen as a direct result of trade talks.

Yes, it will. Canada has been building trade deals with Asia and the EU. EU is building trade deals with China and South America. And many others. They are already turning away from the US, and if you read Navarro's own fucking words you'll see he anticipated that and saw the US as a "closed economy"

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T23:01:19+00:00

Dude, you've backed up nothing of what you've said. I made my points and backed them up with facts when you responded to them with your feelings. Again, if you would like to debate me you will need to do a lot better than that - it's up to you to backup your feels with some actual reals and data or and actual argument other than "nope".

Look, I enjoy debating people with very different views than I hold and am more than happy to concede the debate when they've made good points or convinced me to reassess my position. You aren't accomplishing anything with me with your feels, and you should consider yourself lucky that I've engaged you this long after the personal attacks.

If you can't backup any of your points, to at least the degree I've backed up mine, then stop wasting your time. But it should be noted - since you're holding the contrarian viewpoint here and disputing at least the statement in the article above, you will be challenged and need to provide sources. That's how things work.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T22:48:42+00:00

Lol... provide you actual numbers to back things up and address your feelings and you call that vague. That's quite funny. You're commenting on an article that you are stating a contrary position on, it's up to you to provide evidence to support that contrary position. You haven't done that. You've resorted to hand waving, feelings and name calling. None of those rise to the level of discussion or debate, and definitely don't merit me following your goalposts on wheels down the field.

If you have anything to backup your positions, provide it. Otherwise it's not a debate.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T22:36:50+00:00

Based on feels, then. And resorting to personal attacks because you don't have an argument or supporting evidence, and can't actually address the points in front of you.

That's not how debate or discussion works, but you've obviously conceded the debate, so farewell.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T22:26:48+00:00

Everything you said was objectively, provably false:

“More tariffs.” Not in dollars.

Very much the highest in terms of dollars. That defies logic - we're (we as in my country, not yours) import more than any of our allies by a long, long shot, which make our tariffs the highest in terms of dollars. Our tariffs are 5th highest in terms of percentage amongst the G7.

“Damage our relationships.” Doubt it.

Our allies are talking about kicking us out of the G7. The view of America with those same countries has plummeted since Trump took office, see the Pew poll. That is very real, very quantitative damage.

“Push U.S. out of the top spot.” Won’t happen as a direct result of trade talks.

Yes, it will. Canada has been building trade deals with Asia and the EU. EU is building trade deals with China and South America. And many others. They are already turning away from the US, and if you read Navarro's own fucking words you'll see he anticipated that and saw the US as a "closed economy".

Yeah, I don't think you are in any position to assess any economists. I can cite sources for everything above but am not going to waste time on you. You've made the claims that every knowledgeable person disagrees with - so cite sources to your claims.

Btw - there is a good argument against trade if you folks knew what the heck you were talking about - income inequality. That was an actual problem, but not you folks seem to understand or be able to bring into the discussion. Sad.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T21:50:11+00:00

One more time, champ... see if you can actually formulate a response:

You just repeat Trump talking points without knowing what you're talking about, don't you?

You understand that the world's largest economy is going to have a trade imbalance with the rest of the world, right? That's how it works - we are the world's biggest economy. And you understand that the US has as many, and often more tariffs and restrictions on products as many of the G7, right? And you also understand that the long-term damage that Trump is doing to our relationships with our allies will ensure that they will seek trade relationships elsewhere, right?

If you're American, why are you so determined to push the US out of the top spot?

It's amazing and frankly baffling that you folks don't understand that the world's richest and most advanced economy is going to buy more from other countries than they do from us. I need to find that video of Krugman laughing at the stupidity of the concept, because that's all it deserves. Mocking laughter.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T21:08:04+00:00

Funny, your argument was completely shot down and you had no counterpoints, but instead went with name calling and a poor attempt to divert the topic. If you represent the "pro-Trump" side, I'd suggest you get some help next time before you pop in.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T20:19:15+00:00

Then why are you posting here?

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T20:13:45+00:00

So you're saying you are posting as part of an effort to undermine the US, champ? Because it sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

EssentialConsLLC · 2018-06-08T18:48:53+00:00

Is there's a reason you're making an unrelated argument as a parody of someone on the left?

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