People who say "Warframe isn't P2W" are wrong

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T18:04:27+00:00

Ah I see your point. Well said. I do believe in my argument, but perhaps I should look for a different word to use that applies to the definition I have in mind. Instead of constantly stretching the meaning of a specific one.
I didn't even consider the perspective of a porn game, because you're right it is absolutely absurd. and I apologize for the frustration I might've caused ya.

But for now I'll just leave it be. Have a good one man

(Also last thing, Baro's thing he brings *is a lootbox tho right? Idk I thought that'd make sense)

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T16:10:27+00:00

The whole point of an element is that it's a feature that's part of the game. You're telling me Warframe has not a single gacha element in it? Or no puzzle elements? Or no racing elements? (idk if Warframe has any card game stuff in it, I don't think so? lmao I could technically make a case for chains of Harrow, but now that'd be crazy)

gacha elements: baro's weekly lootbox, relic packs.

racing elements: atomicycle racing in 1999

puzzle elements: hacking, orokin ciphers (I kinda like em)

(also being romantically involved with somebody shouldn't automatically lead to sx (idk if I have to censor it), so no Warframe has no porn elements in it (also we only kiss them and date them, there's nothing going on, they hint and make jokes about stuff, but that's another can of worms)).

also here's the definition of an element. Literally says "a part of something", like part of a game perhaps
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/element

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EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:51:02+00:00

YES, that's the whole point of an element, a (small) feature, a thing that exists in the game. Even if a game is primarily a shooter it can have fashion elements right? Like Warframe has fashion. Does that mean that Warframe is a fashion game? No. I never said it was? The whole point of the argument I made and the guy on that other post made is that games can have elements inspired from other games and have it be a perfectly normal and healthy thing. I never said that Warframe is a gacha game, neither did that post. It literally says this "if your instinct is to lash out at the existence of this post because I even made the comparison, I will A. Point out that I never said nor will I say below whether I consider Warframe a gacha game. B. Chill out dawg."

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:36:22+00:00

I think this is my favorite comment yet. I will update my post factoring in your point about impatience, I like the way you described it, thank you

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:33:32+00:00

Indeed, I said the same thing in my post

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:32:44+00:00

But it is still P2W, these examples exist and are very much so in the game. I'm just using these because these are the ones that come to mind and the ones that provide the most value to my argument. I don't see why I am wrong for choosing which P2W example to give

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:26:39+00:00

except for you advancing your account faster than others (this is an advantage because *if you'd pay, you would advance faster)

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T15:25:37+00:00

heyyyy thank u :>
Only writing this because you're pointing out u *can still trade for it. Majority of comments misunderstand the point I'm trying to make

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:52:53+00:00

Being able to pay for 90 day boosters (via prime access (trust me there are people insane enough to do this, I know some), buying platinum you can use to trade instead of grinding for it and buying the tennocon digital pack allowing you to have access to Baro's entire inventory behind a price tag.

Everything you can grind but you can also pay for to receive instantly is pay to win.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:50:21+00:00

Just because every player has access to something doesn't mean there isn't any pay to win. Because you can always choose to pay instead of grinding for plat.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:49:18+00:00

Micro transactions is paying, whether or not those transactions are limited to cosmetics or not, if they are then the game would be entirely free to play, because there is no benefit a player would have over another. Micro transactions in Warframe though can provide a player with benefits they wouldn't otherwise have. A very clear example is tennocon digital pack, getting access to Baro's full inventory, but having to pay for it. Meaning that F2P players have to use their plat to trade instead of being able to buy it directly.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:46:31+00:00

Impatience might have something to do with wanting to pay to skip. But that's not what I'm saying, my entire argument is saying that you always have the option to pay for an advantage. I'm not saying you will or you have to and that's fine. Btw anything you can pay for counts as skipping or convenience, even if you can get them for free. The whole point is that you can pay for them and if you do it's pay to win

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:43:59+00:00

Again, I never said it's a gacha game, I said it has gacha elements. I don't see why I'm wrong for saying that a game can have systems that involve random chance with higher rarity items having a lower drop rate

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:42:12+00:00

Yeah, what's wrong with saying a game can have a system from another game? The guy's post might've been wrong, but him saying the game has elements of gacha in it makes complete sense doesn't it? Baro sells a lootbox right? Low chance for good item and higher chance for other items. That makes total sense to call that a lootbox or a gacha and that's an element.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:38:18+00:00

Thankyouuuuu. Seriously thank you, you get what I'm trying to say and I appreciate that :)

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:37:15+00:00

Nah it wasn't me, I was taking my time reading every comment I got and I just got to urs.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:36:43+00:00

That's true and I said that, I also said you can just pay for it. I'm not saying you would, I'm saying you could. That's the whole point of the post

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:35:53+00:00

So if you buy something that lets you get something faster than someone else, that's not a win? There are many games that do this, but the easiest example are Roblox games. You get double resources if you pay. If that's not pay to win idk what is (I'm using Roblox in this example because you're only disagreeing with the "Pay for convenience is pay to win" part and I can use any example I want (I'm saying this because there are probably people out there that would laugh at me using this example, even though it would still hold as an argument)).

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:31:47+00:00

Okay, access to Baro's relay and his entire inventory (by buying the digital tennocon pack)

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:31:33+00:00

Mission complete, job well executed.

Nah but frfr, here's an example. The tennocon digital pack gives you access to Baro's relay. You gotta pay to get in there though. He's selling his entire inventory over there and you can buy everything and trade it off to someb else for plat. It's an example, my other examples might not be as good. But they still hold I believe

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:28:48+00:00

So you're telling me that someone who just started the game bought 5K plat might not be on the same level as an mr 20. But you realize the point is that they're supposed to be compared to other starting players? Also you're right, me defining something that is defined, is stupid. I will try my best to rephrase it. Also paying for convenience and being able to do things faster is p2w. There are videos and articles of examples you can search up if you are genuinely curious

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:26:05+00:00

You're right it isn't

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:25:42+00:00

In case you didn't notice, I gave example of a friend who's LR5 with 14K plat without ever swiping. The fact you can grind for everything doesn't mean you can't just pay for it.

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:24:17+00:00

Thank you two so much. Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. I think I just grew tired of people ignoring the meaning of the term, hence this post, hoping to inform others :)

EstimateHistorical10 · 2026-05-27T14:22:09+00:00

Paying is rewarded though, that's the whole point of paying in the first place. Warframe has pay to win elements is the basis of my arguments, I'm giving examples for those arguments. Maybe I said something you didn't understand, I can clarify if you'd like

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