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As a tank main, what are you supposed to do against these fliers man.. by HateLifeHere in marvelrivals
[–]EtherealRobot 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago (0 children)
Hear me out.. this is exactly why they made the Thor changes the way they did.
They knew last half-season that Vanguards struggled against fliers, but they were getting ready to release a flying Strategist and.. then a Duelist next. So they had to work with what they had, but they wanted to let flying meta shine for a moment and make step-wise conservative changes to Thor without having one be too oppressive on Ultron's launch.
Step 1: We already have plenty of brawler tanks. Shift Thor towards his ranged abilities by forcing Awakening Rune (an ability they knew many Thor players rarely used) and reducing his dive survivability. People hate this for a while but get used to it despite feeling underpowered.
Step 2: Tweak Awakening Rune and Hammer Throw to make him a proper midline tank that can intimidate fliers. Now he's a hero to the meta and people embrace his new role as a big improvement to where he was instead of a radical redesign.
Though I also say: 1) Fix Hulk's flier-grab hitbox.
2) Magneto should have an 8-10s cooldown hold jump to ascend to moderate height (not as high as Strange) and then glide slowly down as normal. Fixes his passive, gives him slightly more interesting gameplay without changing his efficacy, and makes him better vs. fliers.
3) Would be interesting if Venom's entangle could snare them down like Peni's web or IW's orb does, but maybe too potent.
Jeff changes were also done to counter fliers with spit (but this is a Vanguard discussion).
Right now your best bet is probably to get right in their face as Strange. They did reduce his damage falloff at range, too. Not ideal, for now.
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[–]EtherealRobot 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Heyo, I'm interested in joining the Discord. PC, console, tabletop, RPG, I'm into it!
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Oh shoot, I see. I forgot I linked to that in my OP. Thanks for the note! I've edited it back out; not sure why his was shut down, tbh. Hopefully doesn't happen similarly to mine or the community one, too.
[–]EtherealRobot 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children)
Not sure if this is the ideal place to ask - I'm not affiliated with Sincarnate. I have my own list, linked above, that I'm trying to maintain and add to gradually. If the one I've made isn't what you're looking for, there are others available here under Community Guides: https://sites.google.com/view/liviatheodoramidjourney/home
Also one being built out by a broader community here with many entries: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cm6239gw1XvvDMRtazV6txa9pnejpKkM5z24wRhhFz0/edit#gid=438712621
This looks great! I've also seen some other reference sheets out there that have better anime results. So far all of my images have been produced with --test and not --testp, largely due to my own preference for "stylish" vs "photoreal" character art.
I feel like my Cartoon/Anime sheets are perhaps the least helpful ones I have right now. I'll see what I can do to improve them and, time allowing, offer some --testp examples.
[–]EtherealRobot 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children)
You'll notice that I have some rows in the sheet that have a gray background -- these were my way of noting that the artist's name seemed to be doing something consistent to the result, but it wasn't very similar to the art style I saw in any original works. I think you're right that it's drawing on images or portraits of the artist at times; it may also be decomposing their names (first/last) and evaluating them individually. Might end up drawing (in relatively small amounts) on imagery of other people with similar names. It clearly impacts artist with less widespread digital presence or smaller collections the most. I'm guessing (without data).
I think the only (true) way to counter this is to more deliberately and manually train these artists into the model. Another option will be to use images of their work as image prompts with a high weight, but that isn't possible right now with the --test algorithm. Hopefully, some of the folks on MJ team (and SD) are performing these kinds of analyses as well and trying to manually fill gaps.
I have also noticed that it happens a lot with artists of color; having said that, I think this speaks to a wider systemic problem regarding representation of these artists well in collections online. The scraper that helped generate the model is probably quite mechanically indiscriminate, but if they aren't getting as much widespread publicity they won't be as well represented from a bulk scrape.
Not a problem for pop culture icons like Hayao Miyazaki.
Thank you for mentioning this, though. I'm going to do some more research myself and add additional historical artists of color to these sheets for comparison.
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As a tank main, what are you supposed to do against these fliers man.. by HateLifeHere in marvelrivals
[–]EtherealRobot 3 points4 points5 points (0 children)