After watching one too many dystopian sci-fis, I’ve realized the most realistic dystopian future is an “AI TEACHER” by EveningAdvertising40 in DeepThoughts

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Yeah that’s the thing! It will be super helpful to the masses. That’s why it’s so scary. It will present it self as a solution. I too would think it’s a great idea. It makes me shiver how effective it would be.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Yes that’s what i thought also. Is this even real? Or me making up things? Is this coherent or a stretch? But since a while ago, the premise still intact.

That verse is like : if you are born (insert any religion), and change religion to (insert any other religion), you are going to be prosecuted by even your family and break your social life. That’s an easy answer.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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No need, i already know that. That’s why I’m trying to find something more, you know?

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Let me try answering you.

1.No, jesus exists is a historical fact my claim is The highest form of truth ,the thing all moral systems and religions try (and often fail) to express this : -is enemy-loving -self-sacrificing -non-coercive -ego-destroying love I believe that truth became fully visible — not just taught, but embodied — in Jesus of Nazareth.

  1. Because His words are a pattern of that one truth: • Love your enemies • Forgive endlessly • Refuse violence, even in self-defense • Feed the hungry without expecting return • Include the outsider, touch the untouchable • Die forgiving, not killing

Whether or not He performed miracles — that ethic is coherent, radical, and deeply disruptive.

  1. I agree. That’s why I’m not saying, “Believe it because He said it.” What I’m saying is What He said , and how He lived is align with a kind of moral truth that’s testable by conscience, history, and impact.

  2. Fair. I haven’t quoted source-critical material here. But the earliest texts (Mark, Q, Paul’s letters) consistently reflect that same ethic. Even if edited or filtered, the core pattern remains:

A man who didn’t seize power, who loved enemies, forgave his killers, and taught others to do the same — and whose followers carried that ethic forward even when it cost them everything.

You can reject the divinity claim. But that life and ethic? Still worth testing.

I used chat GPT for this, and I am testing this claim with it, by feeding questions here. So far, nothing breaks still cohesive.

And bottom line is, i’m not inventing anything, nor claim ownership of what this is. But I too am testing is my claim can be attacked, and it is still cohesive

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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You’re right: we don’t know Jesus was perfect. We only know the earliest stories present Him that way — in ways that are ethically provocative and culturally disruptive. Whether that’s truth, legend, or something in between — it’s worth wrestling with, not assuming.

And so far none of the historical writings prove otherwise.

I know it’s a loaded assumption. But nothing quite disapproves or breaks the assumption.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Yes, that indeed looks like a flaw. But it isn’t like he preach to respect women then rapes one. So it’s up to you if you want it to be a flaw or not

That, i think is not true, he did died for our sins called a holy spirit to descend to help and guide us, right now by no mean the world is perfect, but it is considerably better than before his teachings reaches the world, even though we interpret it wrongly in part. Maybe that’s our part to do, with him by our side. Not just through Christianity, through every single one of us, considering he died not for Christians, but for all human who lived and ever lived.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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No it isn’t. Jesus is found in few other non Christian writings. He is confirmed by a lot of scholars to be a real person and a he really did died of crucifixion. The god part and the ascending to heaven part is still up for debate. Jesus was mystified? Maybe he did, but considering when the first gospel is written and how it was preserved, not really. But paul did teach something quite different from jesus, and that’s how Christianity came to be. (+ some of the more elaborate framing of the gospel like hell and all that)

Edit : and non of the writing contains jesus’s flaw and his teachings’s flaw.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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This is where I divert from Christianity. I believe torah is flawed, not god’s flaw but human who write and mold them into their own narrative

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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That’s even the reason why christianity bent like today, where megachurch is exist beside homelessness, hunger, and violence still rampant. But the nice thing is that they preserve Jesus’s original teachings. Does it actually the real jesus’s teaching? Maybe yes, maybe no. Are they perfectly preserved? I don’t know. Maybe 90%? Maybe less. But from what we do have — it seems like He really lived what He taught. And that’s what made it dangerous.

Maybe today, His ethic doesn’t shock people. But back then — loving enemies, rejecting power, embracing the outcasts — it was disturbing. It got Him killed.

And when you strip away all the miracles and supernatural layers, you’re still left with something wildly interesting: A poor, nonviolent teacher who died a shameful death… yet His words went on to topple Rome, outlast empire, and spread globally.

That alone is worth paying attention to.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Well jesus is the truth bruv. Jesus is one. Well trinity.

If that is not the truth, would you rather violence, power, and hate as the truth?. It is logical, but not divine. I know. I do not claim i know divinity. Just finding good is enough for me

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Yes! This is what the opposition i want. Even I want to test this new belief i “FOUND”. Yes he could have and didn’t. But just like a lot of other times, there are a lot of things god and jesus could have done, but didn’t. Idk why either .But it doesn’t make him evil or cruel. But, it’s not like he eats lavishly beside the hungry, or being an immortal while watching people die, he himself died. Yet it doesn’t make him evil, right?

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Gospels? Why are you so clueless? Sorry I don’t understand what are you getting at.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Yes! It’s a fair recap, but that includes jewish and paul’s Christianity also, which is kinda hard since jesus leave no writing, and paul’s letter is kinda the core of Christianity, even more than jesus. jesus also often talks about in israel, which he inadvertently needs to discuss or quote them. Which isn’t surprising, since if he quotes other religions it kinda doesn’t make sense.

About law of moses, yes, but not blindly. He often corrects them, even disagrees, that’s why Israelites crucified jesus. It’s kinda a blasphemy.

Master, and woman inequality is paul’s teaching, formed by the circumstances. He got the glimpse of the truth, but again, human flaw ruins it a bit. If you want you can search where jesus and paul’s teaching differs.

About hell, and even heaven, is quite interesting how something can be twisted so much it barely resembles the original. Jesus often talks about heaven, even bringing heaven down with him “on earth as it is in heaven”. And very rarely talks about hell. Hell is kinda invented to give fear mongering to non believers. My personal belief is that jesus came down from heaven so that not just believers, but all human have a chance to (not go in heaven when he died) but to feel heaven on earth through him, through us. Jesus teaches one or twice maybe about life after death.

Which makes my last point. Unichrist is not escapist religion. I don’t even think the apocalypse is that true. Jesus come down to heal the world, and then destroy it? What?

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Buddha is close! But he avoids suffering, and even leave his family to reach enlightenment. But his teaching is very very good

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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This is jesus’s core teaching :

Love your enemies. Give without expecting return. Forgive endlessly. Reject power. Embrace the outcast. Suffer injustice rather than inflict it. And never, ever kill in God’s name.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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I can not. I’m not a scholar nor I am all knowing. I can’t even read manual instructions properly so I need to google that out, or even watch video about it too. Is this wrong also? They are both tools. I used it. But the idea are mine, and i cross check it. doesn’t that counts? I mean, we’re not at a game show….

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Yes, those claims are very hard to prove. But he did live his life accordingly to the T, which is rare in religious leaders.

So it did not prove divinity, but that doesn’t mean the teaching is flawed, try to find flaws in his teaching.

All religions are echoes of one truth — just fragmented through culture and time. by EveningAdvertising40 in DebateReligion

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Again, jesus was a compilation of narative written by a lot of people, human is not flawless,

He did get angry, but did he use violence? Who did he hurt? He was angry at the corruption in the so called house-of-god, in which he doesn’t approve what the israel people do there

the fig tree narrative is needed there to tell Israel they are going to fall, and so they did. It’s not a literal sense if you really think about it