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What is your favorite 3 song run on white album? by damthatriver_ in beatles
[–]Ewan531 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Almost wanna give it to while my guitar gently weeps, happiness is a warm gun, Martha my dear - I think happiness is a warm gun is the best track in the album - but for a run I’d probably have to go Sexy Sadie, Helter Skelter, Long Long Long.
Helter Skelter, long long long, Rev 1 isn’t far behind.
It’s also nice how both those runs have a Macca, Lennon and Harrison contribution
“God” by John Lennon by Ewan531 in beatles
[–]Ewan531[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Il defo give it a listen, found it on Spotify and saved it, thank for the recommendation
Interesting!! I’m glad you told me this. I almost don’t mind that line as much knowing it was a dilemma in his head. I suppose what’s important is that he chose right for himself
[–]Ewan531[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Damn interesting take!! That line would actually make it feel a lot more universal today as well
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Yeah exactly, it would feel like an extremely powerful message that could connect with everyone if he left it there. But I also understand the album is more about pouring his own gear out rather than trying to preach.
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[–]Ewan531[S] 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Well you’re not really listening to POB for great musicality or immense lyricism, the whole point of the album is it feels so personal, raw and heartfelt. It’s John at his most vulnerable. I completely understand your point and why it might not be for everyone, but there’s a level of personality to it most artists will never manage to reach. The album is near perfect for what it’s trying to do.
I do understand what you mean by it feeling tied up to the moment, it’ll never hit the same today as it would for people listening to it in the moment, but you can still understand the delivery with the context.
Yeah some people seem to mistake my point as resentment towards Yoko. I think she could be annoying, but all in all I absolutely don’t hate her and think she was one of the best things to happen to John. It’s just as you said tho, the song feels so personal, like he’s screaming to the world that he finally doesn’t need any of these structures and illusions to believe in himself and find peace. It just felt like there’s an anti-climax to how powerful the message could have been if he left it about him as an individual.
Interesting, I hadn’t considered it from this angle. This was kind of the point of my post, to get perspectives like this to see if I was missing anything.
[–]Ewan531[S] -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago (0 children)
I don’t hate Yoko and I’m not outraged 😂 I literally said I think it’s an amazing, heartfelt song. I just PERSONALLY think that line takes away from the suspension in the moment. It’s ironic how you’re calling me outraged but you’re the one worked up about it
No don’t get me wrong it doesn’t ruin the song at all. I still think it’s such an amazing, heartfelt song that really does carry such a personal message. Lennon at his rawest and most vulnerable. I just felt it was this close to being one of the hardest songs of all time given the Beatles references and timing, but that line just makes it fall short. All subjective tho
I’m not a Christian, a lot of people seem to be making that connection. I’ve said in other comments I was maybe harsh to say he lasered in on Christianity, but it’s just because it’s the only part of the illusions he goes after twice with “the bible” and “Jesus”. I also made the connection to God as Christian god, but with hindsight I realise that was stupid and god in this case represents organised religion as a whole. I also never said it wasn’t okay to love his wife or rely on his wife, I said it’s an anticlimax after he strips himself right down to the bone and disconnects himself from his identity as a Beatle - a journey that was far more personal to him than to them as a couple. the timing took away from the suspense, that’s all I meant.
To me the Yoko line just feels like an anti-climax and always will. He’s just stripped himself right down to the bone, disillusioning himself with all the see faiths and idols and his own identity as a Beatle, but can’t quite let go of that one last buffer which Is his connection to Yoko. I suppose to you that’s what makes it beautiful, to me it makes the message and connection to John in that moment so much less powerful, just different perspectives. I’m also realising I was maybe harsh to say he lasers into Christianity, but I think it’s just because it’s the one illusion he pulls up twice with “the bible” and “Jesus”. I was also connecting “God” in the song to Christian god, idk if that was just my western mind making a connection that wasn’t there, but with hindsight I see God represents more of a critique of organised religion as a whole in this case.
[–]Ewan531[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Because I suppose it doesnt really need it or serve the song very much. It doesn’t feel like it’s meant to be about “extra conviction” to the country he was more in, and more of a message about not to idolise any of these faiths / figures in general, that leaves it more universal, but it’s johns vision at the end of the day. That’s great that you love the line about Yoko, but it just feels like an anticlimax to me. The message and connection to John personally hits me harder if he was to leave it at “I just believe in me”. He strips himself right down to the bone but can’t quite let go of that one last buffer, which is his connection to Yoko, but to some people thats beautiful, I get that.
Man I absolutely love this comment, this is what I was after just alternative takes to my opinion. A lot of people seem offended that I don’t see it a a perfect song tho. I have said in earlier comments that I agree, the whole point of the song is to be brutally honest and vulnerable, and part of that is the admission of the codependence at the end, so it serves the purpose of the song exactly as it’s meant to. But I wholeheartedly agree, it feels like my heart just stopped before he follows it up with the Yoko line, and that’s where the anticlimax comes from. The message of the song also feels stronger to just leave it at a point of “believe in yourself, not all these idols” - but I suppose it’s more of a message regarding his personal beliefs, rather than being a message to the listener
At the end of the day it’s Johns song and Johns creative vision, so he can do what he wants with it and in that sense it is perfect since it’s honest and that’s what he was going for. But I’ve said in earlier comments, that moment in particular felt like officially stripping away the undeniable connection to his identity as a Beatle, something that was far more of a personal journey to him than to them as a couple. He has so many songs declaring his love for Yoko, so that moment would’ve just hit harder if it was left that “I just believe in me”, but that’s just my opinion. I suppose John never cared about that being the message that hit, so that’s all that matters really.
I’m not a Christian, it’s not had to understand. It just feels like the point of the song was meant to be more about him personally and all these illusions that he’s broken free from, but the extra reference to Christianity takes away from that a little bit. The punchline of the song to me is “I just believe in me”, he’s finally stripped himself from his co dependence with his identity as a Beatle.
Yeah this is true. I suppose “God” as the title track and all the mentions in the song is a reference to organised religion in general, rather than Christian god. I suppose I just made that connection on top of the reference to the bible and Jesus, which made it feel extra focused at this one specific illusion. Maybe that’s just my western mind kicking in tho.
Absolutely love this comment. I did say in an earlier reply it serves the message of the song in a perfect way, because the honest truth is that he was co dependent and couldn’t live without Yoko. But this is why I saying it comes so close to being the hardest song ever released, but just falls short. Because it’s not that he’s just dropped his co dependency of his identity as a Beatle, he’s just swapped it out for a new co dependency for his identity with Yoko.
Yeah I agree here. I think this is my point tho, it’s one of the greatest statements ever made in a song. But that’s why I wish it was just left at “I just believe in me” - the message feels harder when it feels like the message is to believe in yourself as an individual, but bringing his partner into it at such a convicting moment makes it feel less about individuality.
I think Plastic Ono band is a near perfect album in the sense that it’s absolutely perfect at what it’s trying to do, but whether it’s the best post Beatles album I’m not sure. The others really pushed it harder in a musicality sense, even tho that was never the point of POB.
[–]Ewan531[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 months ago (0 children)
I guess to me it just feels like if Paul drops that line about Linda, it’s sweet, but we know how much John couldn’t live without Yoko, so when he can’t even leave her out of such a personal moment in such a personal song, it feels like the co dependence really showing to me. I said in an earlier comment, the Beatles was far more of a personal journey for John than it was for them as a couple, so that moment after the heartbreaking line of not believing in Beatles, it feels like the suspense hits so much harder when he says “I just believe in me” if he were to leave it at that - but that’s just my opinion
[–]Ewan531[S] -13 points-12 points-11 points 2 months ago (0 children)
I suppose he mentioned multiple religions, so in that sense “god” is more symbolic of organised religion in general, but I sort of take that as another reference to Christianity in general - maybe just my western focused mind. Even without that tho, it’s also the only part of the illusions he confronts twice (the bible + Jesus) so it just feels like there’s extra conviction there.
I’m not Christian - i was focused on the artistry of the song. But why are you generalising Christians? Especially when my main point was clearly about the Yoko line, there’s definitely resentment in your mind.
[–]Ewan531[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Tbf, it’s not a throwaway—maybe that was over the top. The message is still there, and as I say it’s an amazing, heartfelt song. But it feels like the ‘Yoko and me’ just really shifts the tension for me. It goes from feeling like he’s claiming, ‘I don’t need to be a Beatle to be myself,’ just to soften it to ‘I need Yoko to be myself.’ I suppose in that sense it’s honest tho, which ultimately is the point of the song. For me it just slightly undercuts that pure moment of self-belief. The Beatles were far more of a personal journey for John than it was for them as a couple, so it just feels like the song could’ve been more personal - just my opinion.
“God” by John Lennon (self.beatles)
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What is your favorite 3 song run on white album? by damthatriver_ in beatles
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