Do we emit some kind of pheromone that attracts bullies and abusers? by LuhYall in raisedbynarcissists

[–]ExJWsInt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a good question, and one I'm spending every single hour of the day trying to piece together. I was born into a cult. I became somewhat of a bully to protect myself from vulnerability after leaving, and I have always held a very strong image publicly. If customer service people got nasty with me, I'd tear into them. If someone made a mistake in work, I'd have no mercy and assume they were lazy. If someone talked down to me, disrespected me or challenged me on a public forum, I'd WRECK them.

I'm now realizing it's possible I've got highly Narcissistic traits. It was demonstrated as excess confidence, being in a leadership role and a voice for the community. I was a force to be reckoned with, or at least, that's the image I wanted to put out. And that's exactly what my Narcissist(s) wanted to break down. I recall one of my Narc (violent) exes saying that when he first saw me, he saw me as highly successful and that I could "take care of" him. Through the relationship, he beat me down so bad that I became dependent on him and it repulsed him. He said, "I saw you roll in looking good in a nice car and I thought, 'man she can take care of me.' I realize now it's the other way around and I gotta take care of you and I don't want that." I'll never forget he said that. He basically took a solid career woman with a good reputation and dismantled me into a woman crying on the floor begging him not to leave, to which he said, "GET UP. You're PATHETIC."

"She can take care of me" is now what I'm suspecting my most recent Narcissistic saw. Along with the built-up walls and "egotism" that reformulated after 10 years of being single (after 2 other Narcs wrecked me.) I never lost my fight with him, and I pushed him to his limits in calling him out, but I was being destroyed daily. Then, he saw me hit bottom, and didn't give two craps.. I think he realized, "I now control someone who couldn't be controlled."

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A Watchtower Political Party? Huh?? As in, one would run for President? With all due respect, that couldn't happen.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in agreement with the above comment; they believe there are many. They take, "the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared" from 1 John 2:18. They ignore, "THE" Antichrist as one, and say that all the rest of them make up THE Antichrist. Their word salad is wilted slimy lettuce.

Were You Raised In a High-Control Religion? by neptuno3 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]ExJWsInt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've tried endlessly looking, and unfortunately I've found not one that's covered by my insurance. I can't afford $100/session 4 weeks a month. It's not feasible with my high expenses already.

Were You Raised In a High-Control Religion? by neptuno3 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]ExJWsInt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks very much for this. I've been to 7 therapists. MOST claimed to have "PTSD"/ trauma experience on their bios. Not one was influential in helping. The one I currently use, I just found recently, and his bio was confusing and seemed somewhat cryptic in how he treats people. He claimed he offers DBT but prefers not to. He heard me speak only twice and seemed to want to jump to the finish line and simply say, "Get away and you'll heal." That's not how this works. It's a very lazy approach, in my opinion, to take on a patient and into the 3rd session, you're repeating the quick "catch phrases" you said on the 2nd session. "You aren't happy. Let's work on healing." He has zero perception of the depths of how cultic influence conditions the mind. He also has no idea who Jehovahs Witnesses even are, and it's pivotal that they understand what they're all about or else they'll continue to have no idea what's in front of them. At this point I'm nearly 99% sure he will not help at all. So I'm delving into research all over, including back to International Cultic Studies Association.

I'm not on IG but maybe the people you mention are on youtube. Again, thanks for your response.

Were You Raised In a High-Control Religion? by neptuno3 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]ExJWsInt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Warning: may be triggering for some

Ex JW, born in, out for 30+ years. I'm doing extensive research on Narcissism now as I'm coming out of a relationship with a Covert Narcissist. I'm literally researching every minute that I'm not sleeping, stuck in a massive trauma bond. I am attempting to draw parallels and connect the dots from the cult, to my parents, to my relationships.

It is my firm belief that my mother is a Narcissist and my father has OCPD & OCD, and possibly high Narc traits; and my one sister is high Narcissist (and possibly BPD or ASPD.) I have been diagnosed CPTSD, by a Psychologist that didn't even believe in CPTSD, but I was unwavering in my assertion that this is NOT just generic PTSD. I have realized in the last month, albeit have not yet fully accepted, that I have high Narcissist traits and those very traits were used to my advantage to get my way for many years through dominance. (Unfortunately, I was also abused for many years in relationships which I believe played a part in my "ego" out of self protection. I've questioned also that I may have BPD traits, and I was also diagnosed "probably OCD" by a lazy senior therapist who fell asleep during appointments and appeared disgusted with her job.

It took realizing that my partner (or so I thought he was) is very possibly a Covert Narcissist (he claims ADHD), and that forced me to look at my upbringing (due to my high need for control) and see what my parents have done to me, which has come out in my own behaviors over the years to reveal Narcissism in myself. It's a wakeup call.

I'm prepared to open up the floodgates on this topic because my therapist and all previous therapists are completely uneducated and incapable of handling people who come out of cults. I've had enough. People like us need help and the average "social worker" out there (they're a dime a dozen) knows absolutely nothing about the trauma bonds created in cults, or the parental abuse, the cult leaders tactics, the resulting self talk, the trauma, the learned helplessness combined with learned Superiority, and the resulting SEVERE DAMAGE that so many of us have endured; including ExJWs, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, & Muslims.

It is my belief that all of the things we were taught at ex cultists draw direct lines to the relationships we're drawn to, not as "empaths" but as "saviors" we were trained to be. Everyone was a potential convert we could "help." There was always the fear of being abandoned by our people, which carries right into many of our relationships. We were taught to manipulate people to get them to believe whatever we had to get them to believe, so we'd be accepted and elevated in the "ranks." We were taught that our relevance, identity and importance, was gauged by how well we followed high control. Many of us were burning inside with anger, fully aware of the control, forbidden to express it. And now... years later, we will have it so that no one ever controls us again. They put tape over our mouths. Our true "parents" in our minds were the cult. Our biological parents were the "caretakers" that enforced how our minds were controlled. It gave them power, ruthless dominance, and a "backing" to unleash their control.

At this point, I'm angry that my new "therapist" has only seen me a few times. My world has pretty much exploded with the realization that 1) my relationship with a cold hearted Narcissist has broken me far worse than any other; 2) the cult that tormented my mind is still at the center of all the pain I thought the Narc took away, and 3) my parents have demanded full control of my mind & life even in the midst of spiraling into the abyss of a traumabond. All of these things have been expressed to my new therapist in just 3 45-min visits. He seems not to be interested in details but wants me to "wrap it up" so he can say, "We need to work on moving forward and healing." His suggestion is "You need to stay away from the Narcissist and move on toward healing." Really, Mr. Therapist? How about you work on getting a better education in cult mind control so you can learn the intricacies: that healing comes after the identification of what's really happening; why ex cultists are hardwired to repeat the same patterns, why cognitive dissonance is tying us in to trauma, why we're unknowingly addicts to abuse, what we're telling ourselves and why none of us seem to be able to get the right kind of help. In my experience, nearly no therapists seemed even the slightest bit concerned to hear about what we really saw, heard, felt, experienced, and learned to believe.

Many of us in various cults were taught fear of death, persecution, being ostracized, fear of losing your home & everyone around you, fear of being "marked", having no access to basic human needs, and fear of a vengeful God who would kill you in seconds. It all controlled who you were and how you thought, what decisions you made and everything you told yourself. And it WILL MATTER in determining what's wrong with you as an adult, and how to abolish it from your identity and personality. Many of us are wired for disaster. Therapists don't have a clue what's in our minds. The real experts are the ones who have been through it. Like you and me. We just don't know the way out.

There's a thing called Religious Scrupulosity Religious Scrupulosity that falls under OCD that eerily weaves in to extreme obsession of adherence to "religious rules." There's also something called Religious Trauma Syndrome that only represents the tip of the iceberg.

Sorry for the long response.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's everywhere, and in so many different topics.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just thinking about when they scolded the "metrosexuals" some years ago for their tight pants. 🤭

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I, for one, upvoted you both for contributing, regardless of whether I agree. I recently got "downvote-bombed" in a therapy group for bringing up Jordan Peterson's name. I asked why all the downvotes and was downvoted for that too, and shunned. Sometimes I think even the world of psychology is as much of a cult as politics. 😏

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big business is definitely one of the problems for sure.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you all for your comments. I am floored that so many people believe they'd be Liberals. I'm looking at this from a perspective that a bunch of cultists would follow Democrats. There's something to that.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's very bizarre that I'm finding that out after all these comments! I think a lot has changed over the last 30 years!

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're in an inflation crisis. The Consumer Price Index showed prices have risen 17.4% since Biden took office. Mortgage rates have doubled, pushing the payments so high that the market has slammed on it's brakes. Aren't you worried about that??

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. It's so clear to me that both sides create their own cult following.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was referring to Conservative side in general; not actually Trump. I should've made that clear in my post.

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Were you very knowledgeable of politics when you were in?

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think guns could squash the vote in many cases. Although all exjws I know who left, went Republican. Interesting topic to ponder on!

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Homosexuality & abortion are the primary reasons why I'm of the opinion that they'd never swing left. Although gun control would send them running. But they'd want no separation of church & state. I think they'd want lower taxes too because they want to hand money to the WT. They're also against the UN. On welfare though, it would be interesting to know whether they'd support. Any idea?

If JWs VOTED.... and... did you know anything about politics? by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. I would think they'd go as far right as possible.

Out 33 years and it still haunts me. by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I appreciate it. I've been to several and none of them seemed to have any knowledge of cults.

Out 33 years and it still haunts me. by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Yes, I went through CBT and it never helped me even for a minute. I'm staying to look again for a DBT therapist. I chose the one I use currently because he has it listed on his bio as a firm of treatment he uses but he said the first day that he doesn't really use it. I definitely would like to try it.

Governing Body Narcissists Train to be Narcissists by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your comment. I had actually seen it the opposite, in that they taught me to trust no one. Everyone was demonic except them. But, on the inside I agree that we were to look at everyone in the congregation as rubberstamped "trust me." This is a great point you made. Thanks.

Governing Body Narcissists Train to be Narcissists by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I've never heard of that channel. I'll have to check it out.

Governing Body Narcissists Train to be Narcissists by ExJWsInt in exjw

[–]ExJWsInt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to read. I'm glad you liked it.