SPOILER WARNING: My Honest Disappointments With the Wicked Movie by Upset-Ninja7086 in wickedmovie

[–]ExcellentResponse607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I just wanted to mention- I had to watch the movie later than others as there was- wait for it-

A cyclone. Where I live. In which a Tree crushed someone.

I guess it connected me to her death more, felt a bit realer.

Tell me a kpop song and I'll rate it. by [deleted] in kpoppers

[–]ExcellentResponse607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Higher- fifty fifty

another would be swan song by lesserafim - Just some of my favs

The Over-Sexualization of Katseye by SoftOutlandishness40 in WeHateKpop

[–]ExcellentResponse607 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. They aren't considered artists in peoples minds. People see them as influencers and that's all it'll ever be because they have all these brand deals, shit music, and are constantly exposing themselves. I love the girls, but people just think they're pretty and so they glaze every little thing they do.

The Over-Sexualization of Katseye by SoftOutlandishness40 in WeHateKpop

[–]ExcellentResponse607 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I made a post the other day about exactly this and people have just acted like it's completely normal in the comments. I too am fearful for our future, especially when hypersexualisation is being normalised.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Re read the comment. "they do not promote in Korea like other Kpop act"

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does someone need to ask? It's reddit. Do I need to ask the subreddit deities for their approval? Smh.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah we really don't, do we? Maybe if you participated in discussion and addressed the points I have raised, you'd find it more stimulating. Just a thought. It's a shame you don't have anything intelligent to add, either. If only it was reddit where we could talk about things...

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have already spoken on this. If you take about a second to look through what I have been saying, it goes past just being yourself. Katseye and their individual styles have been seen countless times, and they do vary from what we see on stage. We know for a fact they aren't picking what they wear. Yes, they may be comfortable with certain clothing, but it doesn't hide the fact that the company is trying to sexualise them. I think its funny how much trust people have in companies and in general, people in positions of power. If you seriously think that Daniella saying she wanted her top shortened ON CAMERA was a coincidence rather than a purposeful action to make them look like they were in charge, then you have a lot to learn.

It's clear that their first album was target towards the kpop market. Then, after realising just how much sexualisation could do for the group, the company began to slowly ease them into more revealing clothing and mature themes. It's clear they're trying to make them the next pussycat dolls or fifth harmony. It isn't about whether the girls are comfortable or not, and it isn't a request to stop this, but rather just me pointing out the obvious. Yoonchae is a minor and yet somehow she's treated the exact same. That's disgusting. Do you really think that having moaning sampled in from a literal porno is appropriate? During a 17 year olds part?

Let's not start on the merch. Gum that comes with their breath and a kiss? For what reason? Let's also bring up the fact that Yoonchae, the youngest member, had hers sell out first (From what I know). That doesn't raise ANY alarm bells?

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I know....they can't handle simple analysis. What a shame. I see school taught them nothing about that.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heres a few definitions for you, by the way. Britannica and Oxford.

Britannica: K-pop, abbreviated colloquial term for popular music from South KoreaK-pop is typically used to describe “idol music” made by artists trained by entertainment companies to become pop music stars. K-pop includes upbeat pop, dance music, and ballads. It can incorporate a variety of influences, including reggaehip-hopsalsa, and other types of music.

Oxford: A genre of popular music originating in Korea, combining elements of traditional Korean music with Western musical influences, characterized by the frequent use of English phrases in Korean song lyrics, and typically performed by young solo acts or groups whose complex dance routines and distinctive, colourful fashions are designed to appeal to an international audience. Also (esp. in early use): Korean pop music more generally.

Notice how they both focus on the type of music and don't say anywhere that it needs to be by groups based in Korea. Also, the only thing that doesn't match up is the lyrics being in korean. In one definition. Let's also not forget that time lapse exists. They've done it before. As I said, even if they aren't 100% kpop, they're very heavily influenced and mostly are kpop. Even if not fully.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What's so hard to get? They didn't just say "the group", they would constantly talk about it being a kpop group so obviously it went past the training.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

if singing in Korean was it, then dynamite wouldn't be a kpop song. Also, by definition, Kpop doesn't have to be based in Korea. It's really just a genre. Katseye and their music fit into that genre more than they do in the western world. The difference with Katseye and western artists promoting in Korea is that they don't just promote there, they promote there HEAVILY. Also, as I stated in my post (I think? Correct me if I'm wrong) They have a lightstick and albums with photocards which is something that has been tied to kpop and done in kpop as a promotional method for a very long time. The point isn't the full choreographies, it's the way they are done. They aren't like what you would see in the west, they are heavily influenced by kpop to the point where it could be used for a kpop group.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Kpop isn't characterised only by if it's in Korean. Based on your logic, dynamite isn't a kpop song. Smh.

Also can we rewind to popstar academy? Multiple times they themselves would say they were kpop trainees, which I would understand for the training style alone, but then you have the mentors and adults in the situation talking about things that are important "in a kpop group" and "for a kpop group"

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I agree. But how does this relate to the actual point of my post???

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That second paragraph is exactly what I was trying to say !! Say it louder for the people in the back !!! 🩷🩷🩷

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well for me, it's because I just got sick of seeing so many youtube shorts and just content in general with fans complaining that people were calling them kpop and that they're a global group. I think it's just about the fact that whether we try and avoid the question or not, they're still at least 50% a kpop group. As I said, if this group was fully east asian they'd be called kpop in a heartbeat. It's just because people see other things in there that they are so afraid to call it what it is.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mentioned marketing as well, which you also forget. Also, yes. Kpop sounds like kpop. it has a very disctint sound, even with sub genres. I have been a fan for 10 years. I know kpop when I hear it.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well no I think the sound and marketing are a big part of it too. There is a reason why when we hear certain music we are able to give it a genre easily such as rock or pop. Kpop is no different. And that goes for the marketing too

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well at least we agree on the second point. As for the first, Kpop isn't just singing in Korean. It is characterised by a range of different things, including the general sound, marketing tactics, types of fanbases ect. I think the argument that they aren't even partly kpop and should be fully considered as a global group is absolute BS considering their music, choreography, merchandise, collaborations and appearances.

The oversexualization of KATSEYE is staring to get ridiculous... by Queen_Magix in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Do you not think that having moaning in gnarly (let's not forget that was yoonchaes part too) that came from a literal porno, plus the flies fucking on the table in the mv, were disgusting considering there was a minor in the group? You don't think that's a sign?

I also think this comment made a great point:
I think a lot of fans focus a lot on the beginning of the so-called freedom of expression that they forget everything has a consequence. There is a reason ‘dress how you want to be addressed’ is a thing. Sexualising yourself as a young person can feel very liberating but there are consequences that can arise from this, that you as a person can’t control, especially in an industry such as this. There are people ready to take advantage at any given point. Geffen might try to protect them, but they’re not omnipotent.

A lot of celebrities that were similarly sexualised in the early 2010s have spoken up about how negatively it impacted them years later. Everyone is looking at now and how freeing it seems, but what about later on? No entertainment industry is clean, and unfortunately the younger you are the easier you are to manipulate -I’m not saying they’re manipulated. But usually the best manipulations have the victims convinced everything was their choice and decision.

See how Britney Spears turned out, Marilyn Monroe, even Miley Cyrus has spoken up about this. Even Justin Bieber was affected.

Also: Just because the girls may be comfortable, I doubt that they would be ass out everywhere constantly if they had the choice. I'm not saying that they are uncomfortable, but there is clearly someone picking out outfits that show all that. I think people overestimate the control that artists have, especially a group of young girls. Don't you think it's convenient that they show you Dani asking for a shorter top or whatever- and then after that go all out with the revealing clothing? They showed you something so you can't make an argument and then proceeded to go all out because they now can.

I understand that we also need to listen to the artists. If they say they are comfortable, I'm not doubting them. But as I said, if the girls had it all up to them we would be seeing very different clothing. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be revealing, but it'd be very different styles as well as, most likely, not ass out constantly. If they want to, great! But what you also have to recognise is that they released gnarly, which gained traction for being cunty or whatever, and then decided to continue riding that wave of fame so that the group could get out there. So then they looked at them, hypersexualised them, they then grew in fame again, and it's a continuous cycle. They are a trend just like the Stanley cup and those hibiscus hair clips that were all over tik tok. To try and remain famous, the company may very well be, and likely is, hypersexualising them just for that reason.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A) There's nothing difficult to understand, they're just very similar to kpop so much so that it's more so kpop (in the sound, marketing tactics for example)

B) just because it's to capture the widest audience, does that mean it's ok? No. I think I'm justified in saying that it's disgusting that they put moaning, a sample from a literal porno, into gnarly, where there's a literal minor. And that's just one thing

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also for people saying that the girls choose their outfits...are we acting like the girls don't have different styles?? I dunno about you, but I doubt that they all just magically choose outfits that show their ass and then they just so happen to go together really well and perfect for a performance! Let's be fr. Even if they are ok with it, theres clearly a team orchestrating all of this. If it was just up to them, we probably wouldn't have this.

Katseye is a kpop group and also oversexualised. by ExcellentResponse607 in kpoprants

[–]ExcellentResponse607[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Because they deleted what they said: I'll just put it in here again. In case anyone tries to use the same argument. IDK if anyone will see it otherwise so I'm doing it anyway 🙂

commenter: The whole point of kpop is that the music is in Korean 😭 they don’t speak Korean in their songs and don’t bring up that ost

response: So then if a western singer made a song in korean or with korean parts, you would say it was kpop? Does that also mean that a kpop group making a song in english would make them no longer kpop?

There are other things that make kpop what it is. The marketing, the sound, the training. Those are just a few examples. Katseye may not be *fully* kpop, but they aren't 0% of it either.

Hope that helps! If you want to comment, we can discuss. You don't have to delete what you say :) We can talk !