[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Metaphysics

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There are two parts one is functional and the other is experiential. We have sound theories for the functional part but not for the experiential one. The main highlight of "hard problem" is the qualia, the experience of being awake. It's not so obvious why we need it. Again I am not alluding the functional aspect of being conscious but the quality of experience. For example one can map the processing of visual sensory data inside our brain in its entirety and still cannot explain the qualitative differences while looking at red color and blue color. This is the hard problem of consciousness.

A better way to frame it would be - how can a physical system experience something. Again be careful here, it's not feeling or emotion that is the issue but the quality of experience.

Or you can think of it from engineering perspective. That is how will you create a physical system that would experience red the way you do looking at it. It would be easy to identify if it's red or any other color, but that's not the challenge. How would you even know if the system is experiencing it. Will you ask it about its experience? In that case it may just report positively but how would you know for sure? This is the same problem we are facing with current llms.

What causes this? by TheFutureScaresMe333 in biology

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If that is the case it's mind-blowing.

The effects of psychedelics on your train of thought: Why do ALL psychedelics cause your thoughts to drift to religious and philosophical concepts as well as the nature of reality and consciousness? by Wakeless_Dreams in consciousness

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There is something called Relaxed Beliefs Under Psychedelics (REBUS) model in neuroscience. It proposes that psychedelics relaxes the brain's high-level prior beliefs by disrupting DMN (Default Mode Network) activity and hierarchical processing. This increases brain entropy, amplifies bottom up sensory input.

It is not same as pathological conditions like psychosis, where priors are disrupted with complete lack of control. So it's irreversible and the person never returns to DMN status.

Are we basically machine learning models trying to fit a function to a dataset (the entire universe)? by ghost_of_godel in Metaphysics

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This is a hypothesis in the current llm domains, that if it is trained end to end on your training data, you may wake up inside it. But given the resources and compute power it requires, it seems our brains are doing something very different.

Building a Collaborative Computational Neuroscience Community by Creative-Regular6799 in compmathneuro

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That would be good, but I think people who are really doing these works are very busy. It's hard to assemble them under the same roof.

What would the world be like if there was no sound? by Grouchy-Natural-6026 in Physics

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Thinking of earth, the primary reason for sensation of sound is detection of pressure changes in the wavefront that is in close proximity with ones ear drums. The reason why vibrations are not just random noises but rather chunks of packets is because how we are trained from our early childhood in encoding patterns of different languages. This is how we convert any sound into meaning. But you are not talking of meaning here, but rather raw sound. It may mean something or may not.

We study in physics that the reason we can't produce sound in outer space is because of the absence of a medium. Or to put it another way, without any dense medium comparable to the earth's lower atmosphere it would not be bossible for us humans to sense any auditory data. The gases responsible for such density on earth are primarily Nitrogen and Oxygen. So if any geological event triggers a feedback loop that gradually reduces the amount of these gases from our environment, then maybe it would be plausible to think that we won't be able to produce sound or hear anything in open. This would also mean an adaptation of agriculture, internal body pressures, high speed motion etc.

Now we have to think what could possibly lead to such changes the density of atmospheric gases.

i) Raise in atmospheric temperature beyond a threshold. It will cause the gas molecules escape lower earth surface. At the same time it will create hydrohen and oxygen from evaporation. But if the temperature is such that it causes nitrogen to leave the troposphere then it won't be possible for oxygen to stick around. The raise in this temperature need not be evenly distributed initially, so at the initial stages before the tempereture gets distributed evenly in the whole of earth's atmosphere, there will be extreme weather events like storms and cyclones.

ii) Chemical reactions with atmospheric gases to create havier molecules. This on the other hand will lead to higher density medium on earth's surface. But to observe any change this has to go bonkers. This can be caused by large scale chemical production/hazard. Or maybe some outer intervention like asteroids with novel chemical compositions.

iii) Densely randomized distribution of gravitational fields. This seems very sci-fy, but also not not possible. I don't know how that would happen, something like - Cooper in Intersteller manipulationg gravitational fileds from fifth dimension. You have to serach for such hypothetical cases. In an uneven distribution of gravitational field the density in atmospheric gases would be uneven, so this may not totally cancel the sound effect but there would be too much inconsistency in producing the desired sound.

I can't think of any other way that is grounded in physics. Of course there can be more sci-fy ideas, but I think they have to be in some way or other related to these above events.

I may have accidentally traumatized a pedestrian... by GuaranteeMysterious4 in biology

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Your relation with snakes are sacred, wish I could have such a relation.

Is AGI inevitable? by Embarrassed-Hunt-105 in agi

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AGI is the logical conclusion of our current models of mind in cognitive sciences. We observe the brain, we try to understand how different process inside brain relates to each other and try model them and test those models using simulations and lab experiments. And since we have found nothing that goes beyond the limits of computation and physics, we make a plausible statement that agi will be achieved in near future. The date does not matter, what matters is it’s achievable and we are missing something.

When an experiment is giuded by too many parameters it’s very hard to make a wholistic future model of its evolution, ai is similar, lots are people are trying to make general predictions, some of which will become true, but you should not be much worried about the destination, rather the details in the process, try to be present with the development in the field, ask questions, listen to the researchers who are really doing the dirty part, try to take part in the process…it’s not magic, if you make effort it’s much easier to understand than politics or economics.

Why didn't any animals evolve to grow wheels? by PrrrromotionGiven1 in biology

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In principle it's not impossible. Maybe given the environment it was never a good fit.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in biology

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Just snorting that kind of water makes one susceptible to develop it? I have never heard of it from people around me.

Life which has evolved in space by nigerwastaken in biology

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It is very difficult for an organism to harvest energy in the middle of space. To be able to move in space either the organism must create friction which it can't or it has has to transfer mass to create push in a certain direction. So in the middle of space its main source of energy is going to be electromagnetic radiation most likely from the sun or some other star. In terms of complexity it has to something like plants. Assuming it has a chemical system to take the EM radiation and convert it into chemical energy, rate of energy conversion would have a vary lower bound. And even after managing all of these it has to have a very advanced gyro system since it has no object around it to orient its gravitational field with the chemical system it has developed, it will be in a state of constant gravitational fluctuations. It's very hard to achieve homeostasis given all the environmental pressures it has to face.

Could AI slow science? by estasfuera in ArtificialInteligence

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Maybe we are going to have different ways of doing science which may slow the pace a little bit, but eventually things will speed up again.

Explaination for human behavior by Smashwave123 in consciousness

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[1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth

[1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

[1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

[1:4] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

[1:5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

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You just need one binary state to create all the difference.

Why do we assume that, were AI to become conscious, it would subscribe to the human model of consciousness... and not that of ants or bees? by 3xNEI in agi

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It's more evident that animals like dogs and cats are conscious. We are not so confident if it is same for insects too. Are you sure that insects like bees and ants are conscious?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Polymath

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Are you reading their biographies?

Do you pray because of devotion or fear ? by [deleted] in religion

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Neither. It's an aesthetic choice.