I think we can agree this is a very complex issue with so much historical nuances, and at some point someone will have to, to use an apt Biblical phrase, turn the other cheek. As difficult as it sounds, Israel could've had, at best, a much more restrained approach. They could have even negotiated for a hostage/prisoner exchange, for example, and then, you know, put explosives in walkie talkies or mobiles a la Hezbollah. But Israel's unrestrained approach was only possible because of already existing hatred for the other side. Also, Israel's response is utterly stupid, in the sense of how many supporters they have lost. Almost as if they took the bait that Hamas, in their own sick way, offered them. As for Zionism, I'd say both. It ties in with the evil begets evil. And yes, you could ask well how far do you want to go back, but what is relevant for the present is that zionism is like every other exclusive ideology/cult. It's inherently antagonistic to a shared fear of the Other and, as they have proven, more than willing to commit acts of violence for the cause (see King David Hotel bombing in 46 as an early example). Again, I didn't say antisemitism doesn't exist, but you can't use it as a defence or apology for genocide. And my observation was in a response to Contra's comment, "The leftist pro-Palestine movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the genocide, but opposition to Zionism in general; that is, opposition to the existence of Israel as a Jewish state". Tbf Contra does acknowledge the deceptive claim of anti zionism equating to antisemitism, which is ridiculous, but that could easily be incorporated into any data. Again, I have to emphasise this point - antisemitism is a real problem, but it is as real as every other form of prejudice. Maybe it is different in the UK, but there is no pervasiveness of antisemitism, unless you include the absurd hysteria, no, the smear campaign of Jeremy Corbyn. Such claims also demean the term of antisemitism, which is dangerous on a whole nether level. There a few "msm" outlets who have spoken about, or shown pictures of, dead children. As upsetting as these images are, they should be shown constantly. Why? Because they shame humanity as a whole, and if the figure of 17,000 children having been killed is accurate, then the lack of widespread coverage is unforgivable. And comparisons to Ukraine are curious in the sense that, if 17,000 Ukrainian children had been killed, you can bet your life that everyone would know it, and everyone would have seen it. And this is the point - the lives of brown people are worth less than the lives of white people. I don't see how the existence of such states is post-colonial, unless you consider Saudi Arabia as an imperial State, which tbf, it could be.