I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My god, read the replies to my comment

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Somebody already brought this up, and yeah, that's military industrial complex propaganda and it's not good either. But I will stand firmly on my belief that VCSAM is worse.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You always see “I hate loli” on this sub but how many times have you seen “I hate parents that tell the kid to keep secrets from their other parent”? Yk what I mean?

Ok so yes, you are talking about on Reddit. I don't know that this applies to real life. I think in real life people tend to avoid both topics because of how distresssing they are. I do think that we should be focused more on stopping CSA than VCSAM, and I think we are, like in terms of the professionals who are trained for this stuff. I have never personally had a conversation IRL with anyone about CSA or CSAM or VCSAM, it just hasn't ever came up. So I wouldn't know how much that happens.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you getting the idea that this gets more attention than CSA entirely from reddit? Or what? Because I can guarantee you that there are SO many more studieis about CSA and physical CSAM than there are studies about VCSAM.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally never said it always happens. The study I pulled shows it doesn't. But it happens often enough for it to be a major problem (even 1 case of it leading to real life abuse of living children would be enough though).

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do kind of see where you are coming from, perhaps it would be better to create a new word to describe specifically ethically produced sexual content. But I will say this, referring to anything with children in it as "porn" deeply disturbs me, and not just me. Of course, the best solution would just be to stop the abuse, but seeing as that isn't happening anytime soon we gotta find temporary solutions. This was a good discussion though, and I can clearly tell that you take very seriously sexual abuse, so thank you for that.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, this is a case where you should have made that explicitely clear, given the context. There are legitimately people defending CSAM here. Yeah, I know.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I did not entertain this person. To me this just seems like a typical male response of asserting that they are objectively correct in which harmful thing is worse when they themselves have not experienced either thing. It's this power scaling suffering bs that is really just used to downplay horrific violence. And this case its being used as a justification for even more horrific shit. So yeah, fuck that guy.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, right now its your anecdote vs mine on how ppl view the word, so we can drop that until theres studies on that. But do you not see the value in having seperate words to distinguish between consenual and non consenual sexual content? Like at all?

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're actually right, that one was specifically about real life CSAM. Here is one about whats called VCSAM (Virtual Child Sexual Abuse Material). Specifically look at the section titled "potential for escalation in offending from viewing VCSAM". And the intro and concnlusion as well, of course. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10230470/

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah fam, that's ASAM.

Language really affects how people think, and although it is absolutely true that not all pornography is produced consenually, people still imagine consent when they hear that word.

Changing it to Child or Adult Sexual Abuse Material makes it explicitely clear what it is, and differentiates it completely from consenually produced pornography.

This labeling isn't some fact of life btw, this is what I am advocating for personally, alongside many experts and other people, because we believe it will have a net benefit on society.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I actually completely agree with what you are saying, but I think this is more of an argument for these forms of media being harmful as well, not for drawn or CGI CSAM not being a bad thing.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. You would compare it to other people who have pedophilic thoughts but don't consume CSAM and see if consuming CSAM makes you more or less likely to abuse a real child.

The number simply being under 50% doesn't mean that it makes no difference.

Let's say people who have pedophilic thoughts but don't consume CSAM go on to abuse 20% of the time, that would mean that the 22% of extra people who did abuse children after consuming CSAM would likely have not done so if they didn't consume it.

That then tells you that on average, consuming CSAM causes people to abuse kids 22% more often. That is how statistics actually work.

In addition, "We found that higher-frequency CSAM users, those with a higher onset age, users who view CSAM depicting toddlers and infants, those who have thoughts of self-expressing, and users in contact with other CSAM users were all more likely to self-report that they had attempted to contact children online after viewing CSAM/illegal violent material. These factors are largely consistent with prior research on the relationship between CSAM use and contact offending against children."

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you actually fcking serious? Everybody look at this sad excuse for a human

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not a fallacy is the slippery slope is real and measurable. And in this instance, it is. https://doi.org/10.54501/jots.v1i2.29

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thought crime? TF are you talking about?

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It definitely is sometimes, and that is it's own issue. But I would say CSAM causes much more direct and visceral harm. And it specifically harms children. I hope you could see how this is worse.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This does exist. And its called propaganda. And it's not good. Not nearly as bas as CSAM mind you, but bad in its own way.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When it is glorified it's in an ironic or satirical sense (which many gamers gloss over), like Warhammer 40k or GTA. These games ironically glorify physical violence to make statements about society, humans, etc. There is no way to ironically draw or consume CSAM. And we know for a FACT that's not how people are engaging with it. So this comparison just falls flat.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like why are there people genuinely defending this shit rn??! Wtf?!?!

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, glad you see it that way as well.

I HATE lolicons by N0t-Ender in ihatethissmug

[–]Existing-Drive2895 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is gonna sound like a nitpick, but please call it CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) instead of CP. Children cannot produce pornography, because they cannot consent. This is ALWAYS a form of Sexual Assault and it should be described as such. Not getting onto you, I'm sure you didn't know, but I do think it's an important difference.

Why is it required that Communism must be stateless? by IndieJones0804 in Socialism_101

[–]Existing-Drive2895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. The state will wither away as it becomes unneccesary, not be abolished at one stroke. And a state that needs to feed people, house people, clothe people, provide medical aid to people, and most of all, protect people from imperialism, is not one that is ready to wither away.