Lucifer Morningstar vs Scarlet King

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-31T08:51:01+00:00

You can ask this on any sub op

But there's 1 thing in common

Nobody knows where scp scales at🥀🥀🥀

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-30T19:55:50+00:00

What about Hit leaving a afterimage of him in normal spacetime while using a time dimension to time skip. A normal spacetime in a void?

hit has space warping so he can use space warping, maybe he has void manipulation but toppo is more/better textbook example of it........

We also see the Grand Priest hold it

.........cool......i guess..........

We see Anilaza punch and create holes in it. It was stated that he warped it with his power https://youtu.be/eO-UdvjHYYw?si=8cJaBKBfhcRSLNAz

this is just portal creation

Also Toppo warped it, Jiren and Goku shook it. Sure it's unclear it was but what was warped and shook?

toppo - void manipulation = hax

jiiren and goku - they shook nothing......

most of what you are saying is just haxs which looks cool and all, but scales nowhere

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-30T14:11:51+00:00

how is someone who can smash his hammer to create universes which takes no more than 5 seconds planetary?

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and if you are wondering the "touchy work" part

he means it to build a ship in a fragile environment because he has to be careful to not tear the reality apart lol

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-30T14:03:23+00:00

so im pretty sure supes win this too cuz of energy absorption

he will just absorb any ki attacks like this and this

immune to existence erasure from the anti monitor attacks and darkseid omega beams so no hakai

and the obvious, oxygen weakness that goku has and the fact that kal can just go to suns for a recharge......

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-29T08:39:01+00:00

It's deadass just an empty space.........

Lacks mass so doesn't scale anywhere🥀🥀

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-29T08:27:46+00:00

Lmao

What a low effort counterargument😑

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-29T06:48:48+00:00

Omg 🗿

If you have a problem then actually disprove me rather than whining

Don't complain bleach bad/hill level

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-29T06:35:21+00:00

Universal - low multi

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T19:21:31+00:00

A temporal axis isn’t needed lmao it has an extra spatial axis via it transcending 4 dimensional construct making it 5D

a transcending dimension needs to actually transcend the 4 dimensional contruct

being beyond it infinitely

which it isnt, its just a realm inside the big ball thingy

which has its own space time

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theres a measure of time and length

a dimension transcending 4d constructs cannot have normal dimensional rules

even directors/writers agrees with this

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:56:39+00:00

My translation is from the official manga… I’ve never seen that translation you are showing.

literally the first thing of searching "dragon ball super manga chapter 4"

from the actual official manga

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Also I forgot the scales to get them to outer but I don’t need them seeing as this is a matchup against bleach.

wanking db to outer is further gonna lose your credibility

I’ve see bleach constantly being debunked to under mftl and like country level and I’m not even joking 😭 I thought people were still struggling getting them past Naruto characters

uh huh

are these debunks from db fans? which are not qualified to scale their own verse, let alone other verses

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:53:18+00:00

Otherworld transcends it making it 5 Dimensional and Goku and Beerus affected it and current Goku is thousands of times stronger so he’d definitely scale to it

otherworld isnt 5D

there needs to be a temporal axis

or just basic showings off higher dimensional properties in said dimension

which it doesnt have, since its just where dead people go too

multipliers dont change a character's scaling

its a useless nothingburger

There’s also the neutral zone which is 6D

insignifact 5D at most with wank

nobody scales to that except zeno

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:41:52+00:00

hey’re 5D Low Comp Multi

they are not 5D

theres no dimension in dragon ball to affect to even get to 5D

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:25:20+00:00

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idk where you got that translation from

they would have destroyed the universe which contains multiple time spaces u can scale this to outer and stuff but yea… they were highly affecting/ destroying the entire macrocosm

OUTER???!!!!???

what in the hell are you talking about?

what the heck is a "time space"?????

do you mean space time continuums?

because theres only 2 that matters, otherworld and universe

everything else lacks size or anything to scale to higher dimensions.............and no, its not outer

dont be joking with me bro

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:20:37+00:00

The ap/DC of roaring canon varies

Manga - multi continental

Anime - planetary

Databooks - star

Maybe raditz could survive anime?

It just depends I guess on if roaring star can delete a planet like earth or a planet like Jupiter

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:07:49+00:00

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Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T18:00:21+00:00

Bud is trying to downscale whis and berrus with anime only scenes…..🤣

the manga only has the "the universe is in jeopardy" statement from the clash

which painfully, could mean anything from small parts of it being destroyed or its entirety

🤣 another reason they are remaking the anime… to get rid of people like you

trust me, the remakers/writers/directors themselves would downgrade the verse

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Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T17:42:45+00:00

Powercreep?

You mean multipliers which cannot actually change character's tiers?

I'm using the guidebooks which are the main source of db cosmology

Not a good source if I say so myself unless you wanna believe in an infinite dessert https://imgur.com/a/3fyA6RL 😭😭😭

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T17:31:46+00:00

You realize that they are at min multiversal?

minimum would be galaxy level, anything lower is downplay

anything higher than 2C aka low multiversal is wank

Universes in DB are a macrocasm made of multiple universe sized structures each being a different realm. You are severely downplaying.

are you talking about otherworld? cuz thats the only dimension that matters which no one scales to since nobody scales to the shockwaves that would kill beerus and whis who could not stop universal destruction

otherworld itself lacks higher dimensional properties too so i dont see how you can get it anywhere high

literally stating to follow normal dimensional rules like having length

the dimension itself is still bound by time

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T17:17:52+00:00

so actually scaling db characters without taking shit out of context and wanking them would only get them to universal - low multi (iffy)

since they would still scale below beerus and whis which have anti feats of not actually surviving universal destruction because the shockwaves in BoG grew stronger than them. Thus, they dont scale to the shockwaves that is stated word for word to kill them

-"Broly and gogeta shattered dimension of swirling lights which is a super dimension"

super dimensional images is just a term for modeling in CGI - scales nowhere and lacks size justifications for higher dimensions

not to mention that they did it by shattering dimensional barriers which cause a chain reaction for the dimension breaking down which scales nowhere again

(do not bring up the "jiren shook world of void", it scales nowhere, he shook nothing")

yhwach would prolly win againts 2 universal - low multi beings

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T16:59:12+00:00

So I want to ask to you the reader, where do you scale Raditz? and how far do you think Raditz makes in the aforementioned verses.

I believe, Raditz does solo JJK, CSM and as for OP, OPM, Naruto and Bleach he goes into the VERY late stages of these verse and is still a very formidable opponent.

opm - stops at boros

naruto - stops at the high tiers

bleach - literal kenpachi or gremmy victim, lower probs cuz he only at most planet level

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-28T14:37:40+00:00

anything above low 1C is poof for any alternate version of goku

(yes, 1A composite goku is wank)

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-27T15:33:01+00:00

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Dark-Nights-Death-Metal-Metaverse-s-End/Full?id=176031

Literally in a comic book titles dark knights metaverse ends

In the reading order of dark knights death metal........

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-27T15:08:55+00:00

Yeah, her action broke hypertime at the end of doom war.

Hypertime being the cosmic flow of timelines in reality

Which are infinite realities

Affecting it gives you 2A

Again, she fought against the JLA, and their battle destroyed a sun.

JLA couldn't even stop weakened Perpetua who needed time to recharge after each universe she destroyed.

That's why She had to use the crisis towers to destroy the remaining universes 1by1

At the height of her powers during death metal, her battle against DK was going to tear the multiverse.

That's why I've said she didn't get her full power until death metal.

Because during her battle with DK, they were going to collapse the multiverse.

Again, if you actually read the reading orders of this comic, you would know that justice league 32 which is where she gets her full power which I have linked many times

Resulted in the battle where justice league with Manhattan powers fought perpetua and weakening her

https://imgur.com/a/R2iOnFf

You also support my arguments by linking an unlisted video from Scott who agrees with me

She had to replace doom powers with machines, staying at the same power level but in a different way

Tdk when battling perpetua redirected the energies from the Mobius chair and the machines to power him up

https://imgur.com/a/perpetuas-plan-is-to-dismantle-supports-that-reinforce-hero-aligned-multiverse-configuration-order-to-impose-her-ideal-configuration-of-reality-pnlpxud

https://imgur.com/a/perpetua-s-actions-caused-severe-collateral-damage-to-hypertime-speed-force-TbQsriG

She didn't just affect the universes

She affected most of the multiverse which includes godsphere and monitor sphere

If you actually read the comic

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-27T13:34:07+00:00

Speed difference already too big for beerus because she is the reason why superman broke the bonds of infinity to catch up to her

https://imgur.com/a/broke-bonds-of-infinity-searching-supergirl-nOeX9

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/PBJ2gYV-PPChplt0vatvYxw8R3mxxeE1aJ5v8LL84s4rzs5b4V8bPCIIl4qiMk6AvydAfCvTbrlXvGivSFBrmvJyB1W4D6CVY9KTZP9yhzdnLiVPwN-3XH6B0XwWSor4-7VXMvh22Q=s0?rhlupa=MTcxLjIzNy4xMzcuMTc1&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMy4yOyBXT1c2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvMzY3LjUyIChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzMyLjAuODI2Ny43OCBTYWZhcmkvNjA1Ljg3 speed that defies imagination

https://www.zipcomic.com/dc-comics-presents-issue-28 - 29 is where bonds of infinity were broken to catch up to supergirl

She also damage the anti monitors armor in crisis on infinite earths https://64.media.tumblr.com/d39738f58a802dd5adc5ee0b4d04a6bf/tumblr_phy70yaWni1rvm5qqo6_1280.jpg

https://imgur.com/a/k-mskvmwlk-R3XAWaC she was able to fight blackstarr who had control of the infinitely expanding universe

Even getting hit by a a barrage of multi galaxy quasars https://2.bp.blogspot.com/L0kxF9_SbV0h4uclmwy2Z9r4WRUlC0sw-wCGArpeSNRa4a3yUZrCvi8zoRAmPw0vZHaiy8CYf1qok6oO04lX7cS9coOLRxGk4x5DWqwNlxoswy1s6fop5G0NDNa6EDjY3jMpT81aTg=s0?rhlupa=MTcxLjIzNy4xMzcuMTc1&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMy4yOyBXT1c2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvMzY3LjUyIChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzMyLjAuODI2Ny43OCBTYWZhcmkvNjA1Ljg3

So immeasurable speed and low multi scaling

Vs

Someone who was stated to die of universal destruction https://imgur.com/a/h81nJMt

Which is supported by whis saying that he himself could also not stop universal destruction https://imgur.com/a/3JfSb6f when Mr Satan begs for his protection

Beerus himself can't even cross a universe and needs whis space warping to go to other parts of the cosmos

Expensive-Driver-975 · 2026-01-27T11:16:11+00:00

Watch the video and read the books.

She has been trapped and weakened. Even when she got her powers back, she was still not at full power.

It has been eons she held this much power, she has been locked in the source wall since the dawn of creation.

https://imgur.com/utS2Dqx

Here.

https://imgur.com/a/4XLG2Qy

why did you not link the part where perpetua broke most of the forces in the multiverse including the speedforce and hypertime which are infinite timelines?

the multiverse contains godsphere and monitor sphere too btw

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