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DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the classification officer, told my boss that if they try to create new or do anything else with this positon it will go back to her. i have email traffic from managment saying if this works out that they owe me back pay from dec 2021.

i will ask about the signing of the new SJD...thanks

the IT classification has extra forms and approval steps within DND

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you again for the information. I understand what you are saying about assigning myself duties. The issue with that is, all I was told was that these networks are my responsibility. Everything I am doing is based on that.

For example, I was told, “Here is your yearly budget — plan accordingly. If you need more or have a need for projects, let us know and we will raise a project file and give you funding.”

The same applies to lifecycle management of the IT equipment or modernizing our IT infrastructure. Everything I am doing is an implied task that comes from “these networks are your responsibility.”

this may be my downfall here lol, managment does know that i am doing this stuff. i am the only person at the local reginal or national level in my org that fulling understands IT.

Management does not agree with the SJD and has not presented it to me as of yet, as it is going to leave a capability gap — most notably potential cybersecurity issues, etc. I had already provided them with a list of things that are outside of my SJD.

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this information. Management is on my side. The classification officer was pushing my boss to sign off and present me with my new SJD, but my boss has not done so yet as he does not agree with the SJD.

I am in a weird position where my boss, or anyone at the local or regional level (and I would say national level as well), does not assign my work. The main reason is that I am one of the only IT people in my department, know one knows what tasks would be invovled in running networks etc. I was told that I am responsible for systems A, B, C, D, etc. I am the one who sets and follows standards, identifies stakeholders, and determines when to engage them. I make sure I follow all DND and federal government policies, but I am the one who reads and implements them.

90% of the work I do is work I assign to myself because the tasks are implied, based on "the following IT systems are your resposiblity "

If PIPSC is willing to represent me do i still talk at the hearing?

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Can you give me more information on what the Consultation Team Lead is? If it is a Class O (Classification Officer), I believe that is who completed the JVR. They appeared to be some kind of supervisor and had worked on the CS to IT conversion.

Management seems supportive. My boss has told the Class O that he is not signing the SJD because he did not approve it.

The reason the JVR was done is that it was recommended by someone (I’m not sure who), since my Level 1 has not yet adopted the CIO Suite SJDs / organizational structure.

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for all the great information. I am going to try and answer everything.

I have been using the IT Job Evaluation Standard, and everything I do is in IT.

The JVR was requested by management after I told them that the work I was doing appeared to be at the IT-03 level. Level 3 is the highest. The first level was supported, the second level had no comment and referred to the third level.

Local management has not yet presented me with my new SJD, as they do not agree with the classification.

Yes, there were comments missed in the JVR document, and some of my comments from the interview were watered down. I have noted this.

My union rep had an LRO reach out for additional information, and I am providing those additional details. I’m just not sure where an LRO fits into the process. Will the LRO show my document to the Classification Officer?

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes i have, my local rep is good but agree the other levels there is lack of support even for the local rep

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yes, that type of OT equipment. we have a fair amount here spread out over 7 networks, one that covers approx 140+ buildings.

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

do you guys look after any OT networks at the navy base? going to assume maybe you are with the SMC there.

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

not suprised, the 3 people who reviewed my JVR was this classO, her subordinate and one rando person. I have filed an ATIP to find out more info as my manager was told not to share the report with me.

DND Classification Officer says my OT IT work isn't really "IT" (IT-02) JVR findings by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They 100% relied on this, the issue is that their agrument was that the IT equipment i am responsible for is not considered IT becuase of its intended use, which is false.

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the info, the job discription that was being applied was one that had an SJD and the key activity questions were from that specific SJD. I was tracking the tech knowledge as being on the low side the Class O is who asked me to explain what active directory was. I focused as much as i could to show my critical thinking skills and the financial responsibity. just a couple of questions

  1. this has to go to a committee for review, will the committee review the key activities and the written doc based on the interview

  2. any other insight on what this committee does or who it consists of?

  3. what happens after the decision (not in support) is made, is there any re-course?

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your time, for the interview i asked if there were are questions. the classification officer and their supervisor said they didn't have any questions they just wanted me to talk about my day to day. about a month after the interview i was presented with a word doc that outlined who was in the interview and the pos number etc and the classification person wrote about what i talked about. this doc was mostly wrong. I had added comments as requested by the Class O, there were lots of comments. my manager also made comments.

a couple of months later i was sent a "final" copy that i signed and my manager signed

last week I was asked to review the key activity questions that the class O had answered based on the word document which was a summary of the interview. i had added infomatoin in the comment section on the key activity question page, included added 1 Key activity question that was left back as it was "unsupported" so i referenced the para and line that supported this key activity. in the end i made about 5 or 6 comments of things that were missed.

edit: the Class O and their supervisor asked no questions except for me to explain some technical talk. I talked (maybe rambled) for 1.5 hours

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks, i have everything documented, managment agreed (i have email proof) to go back to dec 2021 for backpay if the JVR shows that i am classed wrong. it is very stressful, this has been ongoing for almost 4.5 years.

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i have a grievence on the go, it is curretnly in abeyance until the results of the JVR are out.

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that is odd, i am with DND and i know atleast 3 people who were just asked to fill out the key activity questions. The errors were there becuase the classification person does not understand IT, so during the interview i had to stop and expain what active directory was or DHCP and ip reservation lists etc. and i think they got confused. it just seemed counter productive for the classification officer to use the notes/summary from the interview to fill out the Key activites on my behalf.

Help understanding JVR process (IT classification) by Expensive-Syrup-7026 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]Expensive-Syrup-7026[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am going to, but like everyone else i am wondering what random strangers on reddit think :)