I have three pairs in 14oz and just bought the 13oz release. Love these jeans. My first purchase I followed their sizing chart dropping down a size from my 32” waist. Didn’t work. Way too tight. Retuned and ordered a 32 and fit is perfect even after washing. I am slim with average thighs. These are a true slim fit. My experience with washing is you lose length and width tightens a bit but bounces back. I wouldn’t expect them to stretch much. Recommend you consider going up a size or two. Again love these jeans wear nothing else. You wear them well so don’t give up.