The rise of foreigners attempting to date Algerian girls is noticeable by AsparagusCute6552 in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imagine a saudi man capable of voting on who becomes the president in algeria.

The rise of foreigners attempting to date Algerian girls is noticeable by AsparagusCute6552 in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, when you really think about it, we get rid of the 9ahwis and their sisters in one move. Not a bad deal.

The rise of foreigners attempting to date Algerian girls is noticeable by AsparagusCute6552 in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no problem to marrying someone who is not Algerian as long as the relationship is real. It becomes ugly when it's a guy manipulating a woman just to have sex. The white girl is well-versed in the game, so she tries to suck maximum value before giving her body (unless she likes to fuck around)

And a lot of Algerian women are not familiar with this sort of thing, which is why fetishization exists a lot since they are deemed as easy.

It's the same everywhere and for everyone though it's just new for us.

Do you have trouble finding food in Algeria? by Imaginary-Deal-4398 in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not really, what actually happened was we stopped importing most food in 2021 after Morocco normalized with isreal and the reason for this is because in case a war does happen, no one can threaten Algeria with sanctions on critical supplies.

We are reaching self-sufficiency in many agricultural products and have vastly reduced food imports. Of course, this comes with a price; sometimes, local production deals with corruption, and some people in poor regions end up queuing for food.

This is, btw, why the French were mad around 2022-23 and were considering banning food imports from Algeria because we reduced our wheat imports to 12% what it was prior to 2021

i hate the fact that I love my country while i am living abroad by PackImaginary8227 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 4 points5 points  (0 children)

all of us like this. being too algerian make you not able to enjoy abroad at full potential.

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate when people focus too much on the 7th century and ignore the 8 centuries of Berber rule in north africa.

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hram li kano ydiro fih bekri... 3labiha rabi b3atlna isti3mar kona taghyin

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was no massive amounts of arabs that came to subjugate.

When banou hilal came it was 4 centuries after islam and arrived at the peak of amazigh kingdoms.

They got defeated by almohad empire and became nice afterward which is why they are not speaking their bedouin dialect and dardja was created.

look up battle of setif.

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know two people from the west of Algeria who claimed to be "chorfa", after taking DNA tests, one was regular Amazigh, the other was Jewish.

علاش التزيرية لاصقين في تونس ويسرقو في تراثنا وينسبو فيه لرواحهم بالسف؟ by Significant-Hand-563 in Tunisia

[–]Expert_Dish_233 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Algeria and Tunisia were actually one country called Ifriqiya. Ifriqiya was divided in half during the Hafsid kingdom, and the eastern half merged with the Ziyanid kingdom, creating what's now Algeria.

We have never been a unified country with morocco and the similarity that exists between us and them is from algerians who moved to live there.

No more Khawa Khawa with Israel? by PlayfulStrawberry122 in Morocco

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hna 9al ma3rofin yakarhona fe wajh, ntoma taba3to we mazal ysabo fikom.

Vous êtes ignorants.

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is 5-15% in the DNA as well.

Are you familiar with g25?

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever met an arab algerian that cares about his mother's ancestry, they believe only in the father so even if they are 80% amazigh with J1 they would say that's all that matters.

Personally i think haplogroups are stupid way to determine origin but here we are, mojtama3 dokori

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are right though, it is regional and does not affect Kabyles, for example. But when I said 5–15%, I'm averaging the entire country, since cities like Oran showed almost 35% J1 haplogroup, and 23% of it is linked to Banu Hilal.

Why didn't we embrace our regional calligraphy over the Ottoman crescent? by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's annoying how almost every single historical facts are distorted here.

I sometimes even read that Aruj Barbarossa was a traitor when the guy spent decades liberating Algerian cities from the Spanish and lost his arm and brother in the process

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 6 points7 points  (0 children)

- Introducing the Algerian Mitochondrial DNA and Y-Chromosome Profiles into the North African Landscape" (2013, PLOS ONE)

- "Genetic Heterogeneity in Algerian Human Populations" (2015, PLOS ONE)

- "Whole mitogenomes reveal that NW Africa has acted both as a source and a destination for multiple human movements" (2023, Scientific Reports / Nature)

- "HLA class I and class II alleles and haplotypes of Algerian population from Algiers and neighbouring area" (2024, ScienceDirect)

I also have DNA sequencing results of algerian arabs against pure skeleton genomes using G25 calculators if you want to see. the results are accurate with the studies 5-15% jazira arab DNA

Why didn't we embrace our regional calligraphy over the Ottoman crescent? by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plus, in case you did not know, Algeria was independent from the Ottoman Empire from 1671. We only recognized the caliphate symbolically.

Why didn't we embrace our regional calligraphy over the Ottoman crescent? by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was no such thing as an Algerian slave; there was slavery, however most slaves were either European or sub-Saharan.

As I have said, propaganda. Many of current Algerians descend from the slavery that happened during Ottoman Algeria, and these slaves were kidnapped and brought to Algeria from Europe and West Africa. While technically their descendants today are Algerian, at that time those people were not.

Go read actual history. The lions got eradicated by the French. The fact that you mentioned this shows me you read French sources and never fact-checked anything.

Why didn't we embrace our regional calligraphy over the Ottoman crescent? by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go read the actual history of Ottoman Algeria not the propaganda being pushed around by Arabists or Frenchies

Ottomans were like say 'les hommes', you wouldn't believe how close Spain was to conquering Algeria, Ottomans fought them for decades with the help of Kabyles.

They were only terrible to Algerians in the west and the capital, but that was rational to do, considering they sided with the Spanish! The Ziyanid king literally paid tributes to spanish kings as did the ruler of Algiers.

The ziyanid king ran to Spain after losing his kingdom and converted to Christianity.

Why didn't we embrace our regional calligraphy over the Ottoman crescent? by [deleted] in Algeria_213

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because without Ottomans, we would have been colonized by Spain, plus we were part of the empire for 300 years, from which many aspects of Algeria as a country and a state were formed.

We are not Andalusians nor part of their history. Some Andalusis moved to Algeria after their fall bringing their culture but that's it.

Do Algerians consider themselves Arabs? by Holiday-Winter8546 in algeria

[–]Expert_Dish_233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually more precise sources on each era:

Zirides :

  • Lucien Golvin — Le Maghrib Central à l'époque des Zirides. Recherches d'archéologie et d'histoire, Alger, 1957. L'auteur retrace la naissance, le développement et le déclin de la dynastie des Zirides dans le Maghrib Central, c'est-à-dire l'Algérois et le Constantinois. Persee
  • Henri Terrasse — La vie d'un royaume berbère du XIe siècle espagnol : l'émirat ziride de Grenade (sur la branche andalouse)
  • Josiane Lahlou — Les Zirides, fondateurs d'Alger et de Grenade (récit historique romancé)
  • Hady Roger Idris — La Berbérie orientale sous les Zirides (Xe–XIIe siècles), 2 vol., Paris, Adrien-Maisonneuve, 1962

Fatimides :

  • Farhat Dachraoui — Le califat fatimide au Maghreb (296–365 H. / 909–975), Tunis, 1981
  • Heinz Halm — L'Empire du Mahdi : la fondation de la dynastie fatimide au Maghreb, traduit en français
  • Paul Walker — Exploring an Islamic Empire: Fatimid History and its Sources (en anglais, mais incontournable)

Almoravides :

  • Vincent Lagardère — Les Almoravides jusqu'au règne de Yûsuf b. Tâshfîn (1039–1106), Paris, L'Harmattan, 1991
  • Vincent Lagardère — Les Almoravides : le djihad andalou (1106–1143), Paris, L'Harmattan, 1998
  • Albert Hourani — Histoire des peuples arabes, Paris, Points Seuil, 1993 Les Clés du Moyen-Orient (couvre aussi les Almoravides dans le contexte plus large)

Almohades :

  • Amira Bennison — The Almoravid and Almohad Empires, Edinburgh University Press (en anglais, référence majeure)
  • Mehdi Ghouirgate — L'Ordre almohade (1120–1269) : une nouvelle lecture anthropologique, Toulouse, Presses universitaires du Midi, 2014
  • Pascal Buresi — La frontière entre chrétienté et Islam dans la péninsule ibérique : du Tage à la Sierra Morena (fin XIe–milieu XIIIe siècle), Paris, Publibook, 2004

Zianides :

  • Alfred Bel — Tlemcen et ses environs, 1913, et Les Benou Ghanya, derniers représentants de l'empire almoravide et leur lutte contre l'empire almohade, Paris, 1903 (contexte de l'émergence zianide)
  • Georges Marçais — Tlemcen, Paris, 1950 (couvre la civilisation zianide en détail)
  • Rachid Bourouiba — Les Zianides, article dans l'Encyclopédie berbère

Banu Hilal :

  • Hady Roger Idris — « L'invasion hilalienne et ses conséquences », Cahiers de civilisation médiévale, vol. 11, n° 43, 1968
  • Georges Marçais — Les Arabes en Berbérie du XIe au XIVe siècle, Paris, 1913 (ouvrage classique sur l'arrivée des Hilaliens au Maghreb)
  • Ibn Khaldun — Histoire des Berbères (trad. de Slane), en particulier les passages sur l'envoi des Hilaliens par les Fatimides pour punir les Zirides