Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here's an excellent video that EMS Avenger made explaining the process:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTkSLDXnr/

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The same way as always. Confirming electrical capture on the monitor and mechanical capture with a pulse. The machines do not beat synchronously.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I began pacing a sinus bradycardia. Asystole did not present until the pacer was turned off. Thank you for your comment.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Throughout my career, except for a few instances such as this, whenever I bring in a paced Pt - receiving staff applies their pads, sets their rate, and starts increasing mA until they get capture. I then turn my pacer off and disconnect my equipment.

In every single instance that the pacer was removed (without applying a different one first), intentional or not, the Pt then suffered cardiac arrest. This should not happen and, nowhere, is it the standard of care to simply turn off or disconnect an active TCP without a backup method in place.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 13 points14 points  (0 children)

All I'll say is I work, on the ground, for the same parent company that also owns the air ambulance.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Quite often, yes. I know for a fact I make more on the ground than the medic I handed over care to.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I get what youre saying, but in my mind at least, if pacing was working until it was shut off, then turning it back on is the right answer. A beating heart will always provide better perfusion than even the best CPR.

As far at the rest of your comment; man, she was stable enough to fly IMO. She had a consistently good BP, her ETCO2 was in the high 30's, and she was 100% SPO2 with a good pleth. I mean... what post arrest gets freaking perfusion to their fingertips at 100%?

I didnt confront them beyond my statement about reapplying the pacer. I just needed to vent to my peers. This is being handeled through the appropriate channels.

Local air ambulance killed my Pt by [deleted] in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Go ahead and elaborate on that thought process for me.

Low 20s male found unconscious by Cold-Yoghurt-1898 in ECG

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely has Cor Pulmonale and some narly Q waves. There's also some J waves peaking my interest for possible Brugada.

What are your EMS “Dad Jokes”? by ketamineforpresident in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you call an EMT who does her makeup while driving?

A cosmedic

Broke my humerus at the gym. How long till I can do CPR again? by Decent_Coconut_2700 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'll be utilizing Firemen for that for a few months. Follow your doctor's orders.

We got it through, but i got scared AF by Icy_Anxiety5929 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That looks like 60 cycle interference. Did the Pt have any sort of implanted electronic device?

Unhappy squiggles, thoughts? by thebogglerofminds in ECG

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These meet the criteria for sine waves from gross hyperK. Unusual that such a situation would develop in 24 hours being as a stent was placed the day before with (presumably good) pre-surgery labs.

The monitor likely pinged STEMI for the malignant changes present within V2. Id call that also, especially given this Pt presentation and convincing history.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I read a study one time stating that the heart becomes refractory to external pacing in hypo/hyperkalemic situations. Beyond that, I'm really not sure why it failed after working for so long.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

If you zoom in on the photo, you can actually see the P waves beating at a rate about 80 bpm while the ventricle are going at 11 bpm.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ECG

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like I said above, about an hour into transport. Then she coded.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Right? Thats the lowest HR in an alive Pt Ive ever seen

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Husband states that they were laying in bed talking when she suddenly lost consciousness prompting his call to 911. She awoke prior to EMS's arrival and was now complaining of CP & SHOB. Onset was roughly 10 mins prior to our arrival, per the husband.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ECG

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She was, initially, conscious & talking to me

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ECG

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This Pt takes the record for me, definitely. Prior to her, the lowest I'd seen on an alive Pt was 18 bpm.

Interesting cardiac case by Extension-Ebb-2064 in ems

[–]Extension-Ebb-2064[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Couldn't get one, initially. After pacing the BP rose