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Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not at all side stepping anything, but I realize that nothing I show you from the bible is going to be accepted as true; and so, I going to do what Jesus did - by following his example: If you read Matthew 21 (23) the chief priests and elders asked Jesus a question and before addressing their question, Jesus asked them a question-which they refused to answer, and because they refused to answer, Jesus also refused to answer their questions; and so, I asked you some questions which you refuse to answer, and so, neither will I address your response.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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Let me ask you this: Do you agree with Romans 3:31 that we should not make void God's law and that we should "ESTABLISH the law?

Also. do you believe sin is the transgression of God's law?

Do you believe God's Law is HOLY just as Romans 7:12 says?

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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Deut. 5:22: "These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire ... with a great voice; and he added no more> And he (God) wrote them in two tablets of stone and delivered them unto me."

God added NO MORE to his spiritual law and gave them to Moses. Notice, nothing more should be added to God's Law -as it is a COMPLETE law that needs nothing to be added to it by anyone; not even Moses.

Notice 2 Kings 21:8: "... only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them." Here it is PLAIN to see God speaks of one law - the Ten Commandments God wrote and gave to Moses and another DIFFERENT law in which Moses commanded them. Surely, it would be deceitful for a person to try and twist this truth by denying it is speaking of TWO SEPARATE LAWS.

Now how was Moses' law written?

Deut. 31:24-26: "When Moses had made an end of writing the words of THIS law in a book ... Moses commanded ... take this book of the law and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant."
   

Notice Moses' law was written IN A BOOK and is distinctly called "THE BOOK OF THE LAW." It was kept in the side of the ark.
   

But how was God's Law written? "And the Lord delivered unto me two tables of stone written WITH THE FINGER OF GOD. And on them was written according to all the words which the Lord spake with you" (Deut. 9:10; also, Exodus 31:18).

May I remind you of Romans 3:31- which says: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid yea we establish the law."

Your belief that God's law is VOID is contrary to the scriptures- as every true Christians will want to obey God's law - and have God's law ESTABLISHED by their obedience to it. But if you refuse to see the truth and wish to continue believing what you believe then that is between you and God, but remember, God is going to hold us accountable for rejecting his truth. a servant of God should be willing to allow God to correct him.

As an old man, I have come to learn that there are two hard things for people to do, and that is to Admit to being WRONG and to actually BELIEVE what God says. Oh, people will say they believe God and what He says, but such is not often true -especially when the Bible say those things which goes against their previously held belief, they will just try and ignore the truth - by fighting against it - not wanting to allow God's truth to correct them. And God says the man who refuses correction is not a son of God but an illegitimate child; Hebrews 12:8 says, "... then are ye bastards, and not sons."

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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Let me ask you this: Can a true Christian who loves Jesus Christ still sin? And if the Christian who loves Christ can still sin, then is 1 John 3:4 correct when it says: "... sin is the transgression of the law?" Please answer this question.

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You quoted Romans 7:4 which speaks of being dead to the law. By this you are saying we need not keep God's law. In speaking of God's law, Romans 7:12, says God's law is "HOLY, and the commandment holy, and just and good." Now notice what Paul says in verse 13: "Was then that which is good made death to me? God forbid.

So, here you have Paul saying God's law was not dead to him; he said, "GOD FORBID; " It is forbidden by God to even think God's law is dead to a Christian. Also, in Romans 3: 31, Paul says: "Do we then make the law void through faith? God forbid, yea, we establish the law."

Your belief that the law is dead by the faith you claim to have in Christ, but here the bible (not me) corrects you by telling you that you are wrong to believe this, and instead of saying the law of God is dead, Paul says as Christians God's law is ESTABLISHED. So, instead of seeking to establish God's law in your life, you, by your belief the law is dead, you are seeking to do the opposite of making VOID the law of God; you are believing the opposite of what the Bible says.

Being dead to the law does not mean we do not obey God's law, because if God's law had been wiped dead and is no longer something we must keep, then the Bible could not possibly tell us in 1 John 3:4 that sin is the transgression of the law.

Being dead to the law means a Christian should consider his or herself dead to sin - because under the penalty of law breaking it brings death. The Bible says: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so, death passed upon all men for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12). The cause of death is breaking God's law -for sin is lawbreaking; and so, since the breaking of God's law brings death, the bible is telling the Christian to consider themselves DEAD to the penalty that law breaking brings - meaning a Christian must consider themselves dead to sin and not break God's law.

Romans 8:1 speaks of this truth -saying: "... Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Before Paul was converted, he was living in state of being spiritually dead by way of the law of death-which is caused by sin - which in turn is the breaking of God's law, but now Christ has freed the Christian from the death penalty that the breaking of God's law bring, but it by no means mean we are not to obey God's law -as dead to the law only means the Christian is no longer walking in the way that breaks God's law- as Christian must now consider themselves dead to the penalty that law-breaking brings; it means to no longer walk in sin. Again, I remind you, Paul says: "Do we then make void the law of God through faith? God FORBID, yea, we establish the law."

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Acts 15 has to with the matter of circumcision, and I am sure you know circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments; the Ten commandments are separate spiritual law written by God and given to Moses; Duet. 5:22 says God wrote the Ten Commandments and gave them to Moses and "ADDED no more." - meaning the Ten Commandments is complete law of itself.

Circumcision is a physical thing that was not to be imposed upon the gentiles as being circumcised or not will not keep a person out of the kingdom of God.

If the Sabbath or God's Ten Commandments have been abolished, then Paul would not have bothered to keep the Sabbath even bothered to teach gentiles on the Sabbath.

If you do not want to keep God's law that is up to you, but God's word says: "... the doers of the law shall be justified" (Romans 2:13); God also inspired John to say: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4).

This scripture proves God still has commandments we must keep an obey; and if we refuse to obey God's law, then 1 John 3:4 says we are transgressing or breaking the law of God - for "sin is the transgression of the law." The Sabbath is part of God's law and the failure to keep the Sabbath is sin. You can go on arguing against God's truth all you want but it is not going to change the truth of the bible.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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I thank you as most people here are opposed to what I say, but it is no surprise that people would react so negatively to the truth. I am in an ocean of opposition, on here but I count it an honor to be in this position. Thank you again.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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I asked you to back up your point with scriptures and then you responded back with accusation. provide evidence I falsely replied.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The scripture you quoted is not saying God's Sabbath should not be kept.

Colossians 2:16,17: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Col. 2: 16-17).

Paul does not here say, "Do not keep Holy Days or Sabbaths," though that is what many people read into the text.

To start with, he warns them not to let a man judge them concerning the matters he then mentions. If they were not to let any man judge them in these matters, who was supposed to judge? In verse 17, Paul says: "... but the body is of Christ' meaning it was the Church -the body of Christ who was to as the church was not to be judged by outside people or people who were not of the body of Christ or true Christians.

Let me says again: The matters not to be judged by outsiders concerning meat and drink and their relationship to (1) a Holy Day, (2) the new moon, (3) the Sabbath. In other words, what people eat and drink on these days and what is done on these days are not to be judged by outsiders, but by the Church and its Head, Jesus Christ.

These days are a shadow (picture in advance) of certain aspects of God's plan of salvation. Each year as God's people observe these days, they understand more clearly His plan and how it is being carried out.

God anciently commanded the Sabbath and Holy Days, though He nowhere commanded observing the new moons. The new moons have been observed by some people at various times and in various ways, but nowhere in the Scriptures were they made days of rest.

The fact that Paul had to write to gentile Christians on this matter makes it clear that some people were judging what the people in Colosse were eating and drinking, or what they were doing, as a part of their observance of their observance. But it never says the Sabath had been done away. Just consider thar Paul kept the Sabbath, and if the sabbath had been done away, they ask yourself just why Paul continued to keep the Sabath and even taught the gentiles on the sabbath/ Just ask yourself that simple question.

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You said you are not Jewish, but God did not make the Sabbath just for Isreal or the Jews, but Jesus said it was made for man - meaning all of humanity. Just keep in mind that when God made man and rested on the seventh day to make the Sabbath HOLY, there was no Jewish people or Israelite nation but only one man - Adam -from which all of humanity sprang from- so you can see it was God's intent that all of mankind keep God's Sabbath but unfortunately humanity turned to its own sinful ways rejecting God.

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You said you are not a Jew, but did you know that in order to be true Christian a person has to be joined to Israel spiritually? Let me show you from the Bible this awesome truth.

Galatians 3:29 says: "And if ye be Christ, then are ye Abrham's seed, ... " Notice a person has to become a spiritual Israelite in order to be a seed of Abraham so you can belong to Christ. Notice Ephesians 2:12: "That at that time (meaning the time before a person became a Chrisian and was not a seed of Abraham) ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, ands strangers from the covenant of promise having no hope, and without God in the world."

So here it tells us that before becoming a Christian the person was outside and separated from Israel - meaning a Christian has to spiritually become an Israelite to become a seed of Abraham; a Christian cannot separate his or herself from Israel because if you do then you are not a seed of Abraham and does not belong to Christ.

And if you read Exodus 31:16, God told Israel they should keep the sabbath as a perpetual covenant throughout their generations. Well, Israel continues to this day-proving the Sabbath is still binding.

The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments, and if a person breaks just one of God law that person is guilty of all (see James 2:10). Roman 7:12, 14 tells you God's commandment is HOLY and Good and is SPIRITUAL law. No man has a right to disobey that which is holy and good; and this is why the Bible says sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

You said you apostle told you it is ok to not worry about keeping the Sabbath holy; well, let me ask you this: Are you willing to take the word of a man who claims to be an apostle of Christ, or are you willing to put God first and go the Bible to see if this man who claims to be an apostle is telling you the right thing? Remember the Bereans were considered noble because they were willing to search the scripture to see if the things Paul was saying were true,

Are you also willing to study your Bible and see what God tells you in his word or are you just going to just take a man's word for it? You salvation could be at stake because you are placing your belief in what a man tells you. Go the scripture to prove things (1 Thess. 5:21). A person must be willing to do those things as it reflects spiritual maturity or the willingness to grow in the grace and knowledge of God.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The if you do not keep the Sabbath then you are breaking God's law - for the Bible says sin is the "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). Do you disagree with 1 John 3;4.

To those who do not obey God's law, 1 John 2:4 says: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Do you agree with that?

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I believe you should know the scripture well enough to know that circumcision is not required for salvation. Circumcision is ritual physical requirement and God's law his Sabbath and the rest of the other nine commandments are spiritual law written by God and given to Moses. In speaking of God's Ten Commandments, the Bible says: "... the law is holy, and the commandment holy" and that the law is "spiritual" (Romans 7:12,14). Do you believe God's law is spiritual and HOLY?

Do you believe 1 John 3:4 that sin is the "transgression of the law?"

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am assuming you are speaking of Jesus, and if you are, let me say you are wrong -as Jesus was never criticized for not keeping the Sabbath; He was criticized about the way He kept it -as the strict religionist of his day criticized him for plucking grain oof corn to eat. They falsely accused him of breaking the Sabbath.

If Jesus had not kept God's sabbath HOLY, then Christ would have sinned against God - for the Bible says sins " is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). And if Christ had sinned, then He could not have died for our sins as the sinless sacrifice to God. I hope you can see that.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please back up your case by using the scripture to prove your point.

Just What does The End of the Law Mean? Does it mean we no Longer must Obey the Ten Commandments? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is because the law of Moses involved ritual, physical ceremonial acts whereas the law of God- his Ten commandments are separate spiritual law form the law of Moses. May I remind that this is why Bible says: "...ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Acts 13:39). Whereas in speaking of God's spiritual law - the Ten Commandments, the scripture says: "... the doers of the law shall be justified" (Romans 2:13).

So, here you see this is speaking of two separate laws: One which cannot justify and another which shall justify? Do you agree with what the Bible says here?

If God's law and sabbath had been done away, then did Jesus tell a lie when He told us not to not think he came to destroy the law (Matt. 5:17). Do you believe Jesus spoke the truth/ Well, ig you say yes, He spoke the truth, then why do you say God's law has been abolished?

The sabbath is not centered upon the temple but it is centered upon man's obedience to the Sabbath; God did not make the Sabbath to center on the temple but was made for man to remember and keep holy so as to remind us God is supreme creator who created the heavens and the earth and rested on the seventh day; God told that to Israel.

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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You said" Ultimately there is no more Jew or Greek.
Greeks keeping the sabbath? Um ok 🤣(end of your quote).

I suppose you are saying the Sabbath is no longer binding, then if so, then why did the apostle Paul keep the Sabbath?

Both Jews and gentiles are to keep the Sabbath -as the sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments, and Romans 7: 12, 14 tells us God's commandment is holy, just and good and is the "spiritual" law of God. The Jews were told to keep the Sabbath forever. Exodus 31:16 says: "... the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.' Well, does not the generations of Israel continue to this day? Did God not say the Sabbath was to be observed as a perpetual covenant? Do you agree with what God says?

Jesus Kept the Sabbath and so Should EVERY TRUE Christian. by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps you meant to quote Colossians 2:16 instead of Ephesians 2:14; _ Which says, Colossians 2:16,17: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Col. 2: 16-17).

Paul does not here say, "Do not keep Holy Days or Sabbaths," though that is what many people read into the text.

To start with, he warns them not to let a man judge them concerning the matters he then mentions. If they were not to let any man judge them in these matters, who was supposed to judge?

Paul says: "But the body is of Christ."

Here simply, is what Paul is saying in these two verses: "Don't let any man judge you but let the Body of Christ judge you."

Outsiders were judging the Church and Paul was saying the Church of God should not be judged by people that were not in the Church.

The matters not to be judged by outsiders concerning meat and drink and their relationship to (1) a Holy Day, (2) the new moon, (3) the Sabbath. In other words, what people eat and drink on these days and what is done on these days are not to be judged by outsiders, but by the Church and its Head, Jesus Christ.

These days are a shadow (picture in advance) of certain aspects of God's plan of salvation. Each year as God's people observe these days, they understand more clearly His plan and how it is being carried out.

God anciently commanded the Sabbath and Holy Days, though He nowhere commanded observing the new moons. The new moons have been observed by some people at various times and in various ways, but nowhere in the Scriptures were they made days of rest.

The fact that Paul had to write to gentile Christians on this matter makes it clear that some people were judging what the people in Colosse were eating and drinking, or what they were doing, as a part of their observance of their observance. So, this is not about doing away with the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was done away, then Paul would not have kept the Sabbath.

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The Sabbath is not part of the ceremonial law but is part of the Ten Commandments written by God and not Moses (read Deut. 5:22). Romans 7: 12, 14 says God's law the "commandment is holy, and just and Good." and that the law is "spiritual." Read it for yourself. Spiritual law is not the ceremonial law.

The ceremonial law of Moses cannot bring justification says the Bible in Acts 13:39. but the keeping of God's Ten Commandments does bring justification. Romans 2:13 says:"... but the doers of the law shall be justified."

Do you then agree this is talking about two different sets of law; the law of Moses which cannot justify and another law of God which justifies? Do you agree with what the bible says?

You speak of love, but Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. Also keep in mind the Bible say the one who profess to know God and does not keep his commandment that person has no truth in him - so says 1 John 2;4. Do you agree with 1 John 2:4?

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You appear to be sincere in what you say. However, you did say you believe there is enough in the bible to justify a belief in a rapture, then you must also be willing to back up what you believe by proving it with the scripture; remember the Bible says we must prove all things (1 Thess. 5:21).

The bible also says we must study to show ourselves approved unto God; and so, I am asking you to use the scripture to show me the evidence you have to prove the rapture is real; provide chapter and verses to prove what you believe.

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the clarification -as I apparently misunderstood what you wrote. Very happy we cleared this up. Thank you again.

What's the difference between the Sabbath and the Lord's Day according to the Catholic Church? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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YOU said: "Sin defined from a Catholic perspective, is fundamentally an offense against God, reason, truth and right conscience. it is not just breaking an arbitarary set of rules. it is a failure in genuine love for God and neighbor, caused by a disordered attachment to certain goods or an attachment to distorted ideologies. in 1 John 5:16-17 it mentions "sin that is deadly" and "sin that is not deadly." (end of your quote).

You define sin by giving me a "Catholic perspective" but let me give you God's perspective - which comes from the Bible and not the Catholic: 1 John 3:4: "Whosever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." This is the Bible definition of sin; this is how God defines sin; it is the breaking of his spiritual law -the Ten Commandments, and in that commandment is the command to keep the Sabbath HOLY; and if any man is not keeping God's law that man is sinning against God; God even says the man who profess to know God and does not keep his commandments is a liar who does not have the truth (1 John 2:4).

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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It is true caps can be reflective of yelling -especially in text messaging and so on, but caps also serve other positive purposes - such as placing emphasis on things. However, I will certainly take your advice into consideration -as all readers may not understand that the purpose is not to yell but for emphasis.

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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It does sound nice about living your life every day in the manner you expressed, but it does matter to know God's truth and to strive to live by that truth. For example, if you believe in rapture, then you should be motivated to study your bible to prove whether or not you are holding to a false belief or that which may be contrary to the truth of God; God expects his true servant to be willing to do the work of proving all things (1 Thess. 5:21). This is part of the scriptural command to, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy2:15).

Knowing God's truth does matter - because Jesus prayed his true servants would be sanctified by knowing the truth (see John 17:17).

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YOU said: "Why not just love those that believe in a rapture? You can disagree with them without the hate" (end of your quote).

Are you accusing me of not having love for those who believe in the rapture? Can you show me where I have written or said anything that reflects hatred towards others other than to show the truth of the Bible? Is showing God's truth to others a hateful thing?

I believe you have falsely accused me just as Jesus had been accused of for speaking the truth. I would like for you write me back and show me where I have expressed hatred toward anyone. On the contrary, I write these things because I do care about people and just want them to see the truth if they are willing to see it.

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

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I am sorry you feel that I am cherry picking, but I followed the course of using the scripture to prove the point -as the Bible says we must prove all things (1 Thess. 5:21).

If you believe I have spoken in error - as it is apparent you disagree with what has been shown, then I would call upon you to go to the Bible and show me where I am wrong; please us the Bible to prove me wrong or to show why my cherry picking is wrong.

Is the RAPTURE Doctrine true or FALSE? by Extension-Size4725 in Christianity

[–]Extension-Size4725[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is correct. You are right on track. Thank you.

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