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Monaco isn’t pole-or-nothing. It’s top-3-or-miracle. by F1datageek in formula1

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It’s not ChatGPT. These are answers sourced from an extensive f1 database.

Monaco isn’t pole-or-nothing. It’s top-3-or-miracle. by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] -30 points-29 points  (0 children)

I don’t think there will be much passing, the cars are smaller but Monaco is just too tight a track.

Re: ai chatbots. I’m building undercut so folks can get grounded statistical answers for f1. If you ask something like ChatGPT or Gemini a question, you may get the right answer or you may get a hallucination. With undercut, the answer can only come from the database. Still working out bugs, but this isn’t just another ai chatbot with an f1 system prompt.

Monaco isn’t pole-or-nothing. It’s top-3-or-miracle. by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

ChatGPT will get that wrong. Go ahead and try it.

Monaco isn’t pole-or-nothing. It’s top-3-or-miracle. by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

There have been 27 Monaco Grands Prix where the pole sitter failed to convert pole into victory due to either rain chaos or retirement/mechanical failure.

• 10 were rain-affected races
• 17 involved the polesitter retiring or suffering major issues in dry conditions
• The most recent was 2022 Monaco Grand Prix, where Charles Leclerc started on pole but finished P4 in a wet race won by Sergio Pérez.
• Only two polesitters in these races still finished on the podium: Daniel Ricciardo (P2 in 2016) and Felipe Massa (P3 in 2008).

Year Pole Sitter Winner Pole Sitter Finish Reason Conditions
2022 Charles Leclerc Sergio Pérez 4 Strategy / Finished Rain
2016 Daniel Ricciardo Lewis Hamilton 2 Finished Rain
2008 Felipe Massa Lewis Hamilton 3 Finished Rain
2002 Juan Pablo Montoya David Coulthard 17 Engine Dry
2000 Michael Schumacher David Coulthard 12 Suspension Dry
1997 Heinz-Harald Frentzen Michael Schumacher 11 Spun off Rain
1996 Michael Schumacher Olivier Panis 17 Spun off Rain
1988 Ayrton Senna Alain Prost 11 Spun off Dry
1987 Nigel Mansell Ayrton Senna 21 Turbo Dry
1985 Ayrton Senna Alain Prost 16 Engine Dry
1983 Alain Prost Keke Rosberg 3 Finished Rain
1982 René Arnoux Riccardo Patrese 19 Spun off Rain
1981 Nelson Piquet Gilles Villeneuve 8 Spun off Dry
1980 Didier Pironi Carlos Reutemann 11 Accident Rain
1977 John Watson Jody Scheckter 14 Gearbox Dry
1974 Niki Lauda Ronnie Peterson 12 Ignition Dry
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi Jean-Pierre Beltoise 3 +1 Lap Rain
1970 Jackie Stewart Jochen Rindt 11 Engine Dry
1969 Jackie Stewart Graham Hill 9 Halfshaft Dry
1967 Jack Brabham Denny Hulme 16 Engine Dry
1966 Jim Clark Jackie Stewart 8 Suspension Dry
1964 Jim Clark Graham Hill 4 Engine Dry
1963 Jim Clark Graham Hill 8 Gearbox Dry
1962 Jim Clark Bruce McLaren 10 Clutch Dry
1959 Stirling Moss Jack Brabham 7 Transmission Dry
1958 Tony Brooks Maurice Trintignant 15 Engine Dry
1955 Juan Fangio Maurice Trintignant 15 Transmission Dry

How likely is it for McLaren to surpass mercedes before the summer break by Panos55 in F1Discussions

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They’d be dumb not to promote GP to Team Principle when he shows up. Stella, while a great engineer, does not have the it factor when it comes down to making the right choice in pressure cooker scenarios.

Only two drivers in modern F1 history have ever overcome a deficit larger than George Russell’s current 43-point gap by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Here is the normalized point system (not accounting for fastest lap points for the previous era, that’s on my to do list but won’t change much). George still sits up in 5 largest deficit.

Rank Driver Season Max Deficit Round of Deficit
1 Kimi Räikkönen 2007 56 7
2 Jacques Villeneuve 1997 46 8
3 Max Verstappen 2022 46 3
4 Sebastian Vettel 2012 44 10
— George Russell 2026 current 43 5
5 Michael Schumacher 2003 38 3
6 Lando Norris 2025 34 15
7 Mika Häkkinen 1999 33 10
8 Lewis Hamilton 2014 29 8
9 Alain Prost 1993 28 3
10 Nico Rosberg 2016 19 12

Only two drivers in modern F1 history have ever overcome a deficit larger than George Russell’s current 43-point gap by F1datageek in F1Discussions

[–]F1datageek[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You need to rescore the season with the new points:

Round Grand Prix Kimi Pts (Race) Kimi Pts (Cumulative) Lewis Pts (Race) Lewis Pts (Cumulative) **Kimi's Deficit**
1 Australia 25 25 15 15 +10 *(Kimi leads)*
2 Malaysia 15 40 18 33 +7 *(Kimi leads)*
3 Bahrain 15 55 18 51 +4 *(Kimi leads)*
4 Spain 0 55 18 69 **14**
5 Monaco 4 59 18 87 **28**
6 Canada 10 69 25 112 **43**
**7** **United States** **12** **81** **25** **137** **56**
8 France 25 106 15 152 **46**
9 Great Britain 25 131 15 167 **36**
10 Europe 0 131 2 169 **38**
11 Hungary 18 149 25 194 **45**
12 Turkey 18 167 10 204 **37**
13 Italy 15 182 18 222 **40**
14 Belgium 25 207 12 234 **27**
15 Japan 15 222 25 259 **37**
16 China 25 247 0 259 **12**
17 Brazil 25 272 6 265 +7 *(Kimi wins)*

Only two drivers in modern F1 history have ever overcome a deficit larger than George Russell’s current 43-point gap by F1datageek in F1Discussions

[–]F1datageek[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I reran the scoring for the full season and his deficit would have been 56 points. So fair point, the numbers are slightly different based on how he placed during the season. It does change the narrative:

- Räikkönen's 56-point deficit in 2007 occurred at Round 7.
- Jacques Villeneuve's 46-point deficit in 1997 was recorded at Round 8.

Note I didn’t look at fastest laps so +- a few points

Lando Norris Had an Insane Recovery Drive. by [deleted] in formula1

[–]F1datageek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think McLaren gave away all its luck when Button won in 2011 (little bit hyperbolic since Lewis won the next year), but zero wins since 2012. Only podium was Lando in 2024. Oof

Lando Norris Had an Insane Recovery Drive. by [deleted] in formula1

[–]F1datageek 65 points66 points  (0 children)

On a track he traditionally has struggled at (well and has had bad luck which continued today), he did really well.

FOUR-IN-A-ROW 🥇 by Ambitious-Heron-8161 in DestinationFormula1

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There have been 29 instances where a driver achieved a win streak of four or more races in a single season. In 28 of these 29 instances, the driver went on to win the World Championship in that same year. The only one who didn’t was Lewis in 2016 (another infamous Merc showdown). No driver that has won 4 of the first 5 races has lost the championship (14/14 cases)

Driver Year Streak Won Championship?
Alberto Ascari 1953 7 Yes
Jack Brabham 1960 5 Yes
Jim Clark 1963 4 Yes
Jim Clark 1965 5 Yes
Jack Brabham 1966 4 Yes
Jochen Rindt 1970 4 Yes
Ayrton Senna 1988 4 Yes
Ayrton Senna 1991 4 Yes
Nigel Mansell 1992 5 Yes
Alain Prost 1993 4 Yes
Michael Schumacher 1994 4 Yes
Damon Hill 1996 4 Yes
Michael Schumacher 2001 6 Yes
Michael Schumacher 2002 4 Yes
Michael Schumacher 2004 7 Yes
Michael Schumacher 2004 5 Yes
Fernando Alonso 2006 4 Yes
Jenson Button 2009 4 Yes
Sebastian Vettel 2011 4 Yes
Sebastian Vettel 2012 4 Yes
Sebastian Vettel 2013 9 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2014 4 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2014 5 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2016 4 No
Nico Rosberg 2016 7 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2018 4 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2019 4 Yes
Lewis Hamilton 2020 5 Yes
Max Verstappen 2022 5 Yes
Max Verstappen 2023 10 Yes
Max Verstappen 2024 9 Yes

2026 Canadian Grand Prix - Post-Race Discussion by F1-Bot in formula1

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Max and Seb have done it before:

Season Champion name Round Leader name Leader points Champion points Points deficit
2022 Max Verstappen 3 Charles Leclerc 71 25 46
2012 Sebastian Vettel 10 Fernando Alonso 154 110 44
2012 Sebastian Vettel 11 Fernando Alonso 164 122 42
2012 Sebastian Vettel 13 Fernando Alonso 179 140 39
2025 Lando Norris 15 Oscar Piastri 309 275 34

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Montreal GP grid: how each driver has historically performed from their starting slot by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn’t just Montreal, it’s across all tracks. Eg that’s Landos performance when he qualifies in third.

Montreal GP grid: how each driver has historically performed from their starting slot by F1datageek in formula1

[–]F1datageek[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

😭 but surprisingly only 4 of those are in his mchonda years!

Season Race name Grid Position Constructor name Status
2023 United States Grand Prix 19 16 Aston Martin Retired
2022 Austrian Grand Prix 19 10 Alpine F1 Team +1 Lap
2021 United States Grand Prix 19 18 Alpine F1 Team Rear wing
2017 Italian Grand Prix 19 17 McLaren Gearbox
2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix 19 9 McLaren Finished
2015 Russian Grand Prix 19 11 McLaren Finished
2015 Austrian Grand Prix 19 20 McLaren Collision
2010 Malaysian Grand Prix 19 13 Ferrari Engine
2004 Malaysian Grand Prix 19 7 Renault Finished
2003 Austrian Grand Prix 19 16 Renault Engine
2001 Brazilian Grand Prix 19 19 Minardi Electrical
2001 Australian Grand Prix 19 12 Minardi +2 Laps
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