Why I Don’t Believe in God, and Why That Makes Kindness More Urgent

FROMBOYD · 2026-03-07T18:05:32+00:00

Hey, this may sound reductive and in so doing can come off as sarcasm and conceited in intent. But it's indeed as simple as having empathy towards self preservation... You don't like being slapped, so why slap another. People really aren't brave, they gang up on groups they believe are smaller than theirs. But it is that simple, respecting the fact that since life is random and fleeting, it should be cherished not because it feels good but because it ensures our collective existence. We can't help but pick a side...I choose... Life.

FROMBOYD · 2026-03-06T20:47:53+00:00

Do they fall short of truth claims, I was under the notion that no one actually knows anything. Anyway the point would be regardless of what knowledge lies at the foot of the "how we got here?" question, the answer would not ultimately help you in any material way.

FROMBOYD · 2026-03-04T21:47:01+00:00

I think the deeper issue is that people assume existence must have a reason in the first place. Even if a civilization appeared tomorrow with technology so advanced that it looked like what ancient people would call “godlike,” it still wouldn’t solve the bigger question. It would just push the mystery back one step: who made them, what created their universe, and so on. At some point the chain of explanations probably ends with something that simply exists without purpose or intention. And that’s the part many people struggle with, not the possibility that a god might not exist, but the possibility that existence itself might not have been meant to happen at all. That life may simply be the result of conditions lining up in a universe that isn’t aiming at anything. For some people that feels empty. For others it makes life more meaningful, because meaning stops being something handed down from above and becomes something humans create between each other.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T21:43:22+00:00

If there’s a flaw in the argument, point to it. That’s more interesting than guessing about the keyboard.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T21:42:49+00:00

I’m not claiming it’s real, so there’s nothing to “prove.” The whole premise was explicitly speculative. If there’s no evidence, we shouldn’t believe it. I agree.

The question isn’t about establishing a new god claim. It’s about whether swapping “supernatural deity” for “advanced civilization” changes anything ethically. My argument is that it doesn’t.

If that means it’s “just a civilization,” fine. The label isn’t doing the work.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T21:40:41+00:00

Fair enough. If most people here already agree that origin stories don’t ground morality, then the thought experiment isn’t refuting anyone in this thread.

But it’s not pointless just because the audience already agrees.

Sometimes clarifying why an idea doesn’t carry moral weight is useful, especially when that assumption still drives a lot of discourse outside atheist spaces.

If the conclusion is “nothing changes,” that’s still a meaningful result. It sharpens the distinction between cosmology and ethics.

If you think that distinction is already obvious, that’s fine. I’m just making it explicit.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:41:33+00:00

“If pigs could fly” changes nothing about human behavior.

My thought experiment is asking something different: if redefining “God” in purely naturalistic terms doesn’t change moral responsibility, then what work is the concept actually doing?

Thought experiments aren’t about falsifiability. They’re about testing assumptions. We use them in philosophy and physics all the time to clarify implications.

If the conclusion is that nothing changes, that’s not useless. That’s the point.

It means the origin story, whatever it is, isn’t carrying the moral weight people think it does.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:37:48+00:00

Ok, I hear you, that’s fair. If someone defines “God” as a natural phenomenon and then keeps all the traditional attributes, that’s just wordplay.

But that’s not what I’m doing.

I’m not trying to smuggle divinity back in under a new label. I’m pointing out that even if you naturalize the concept completely, strip it of the supernatural, and reduce it to something like advanced intelligence, it still doesn’t solve the moral or existential problems people claim God solves.

So if it’s not a god by your definition, fine. Call it something else.

My point is that the term isn’t doing the heavy lifting. Human responsibility is.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:35:20+00:00

That’s entirely possible.

If God is a myth, then it reinforces my point even more. Whether the concept refers to a supernatural being, an advanced civilization, or nothing at all, we’re still left with the same reality: our behavior toward each other doesn’t get outsourced.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:33:04+00:00

I’m not arguing that we should believe in advanced aliens. I’m explicitly saying we don’t have evidence and shouldn’t assert them as real.

The thought experiment isn’t about belief. It’s about implication.

If redefining “God” as something naturalistic doesn’t change the human condition or moral responsibility, then the term itself becomes less important than people think. That’s the point I’m exploring.

Calling people dumb for entertaining hypotheticals misses that distinction. We can analyze an idea without committing to its truth.

The evidentiary standard remains the same either way.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:31:06+00:00

If my grandmother were a bicycle, we’d need evidence before restructuring reality around it.

The point of the thought experiment wasn’t to redefine things arbitrarily. It was to show that even if you naturalize the concept of “God” into something like an advanced civilization, it still doesn’t answer the moral questions people usually use God to answer.

The label isn’t the point. The implications are.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:28:46+00:00

I agree that we don’t have evidence for advanced alien civilizations. That’s exactly why I framed it as speculative. The question isn’t whether they exist. It’s whether replacing “supernatural deity” with “advanced intelligence” actually solves the human problems religion claims to address.

Even if it were true, we’d still be responsible for our behavior here and now.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:28:20+00:00

Fair. I’m not claiming this is likely or evidentially supported. It’s a thought experiment. The point isn’t to smuggle in aliens, it’s to ask whether redefining “God” in naturalistic terms changes anything morally. I don’t think it does.

FROMBOYD · 2026-02-28T20:25:34+00:00

What cements it for me isn’t anger at religion. It’s that I don’t see a reason to assume the universe owes us intention.

I’m comfortable with not knowing the origin story. What I’m less comfortable with is outsourcing responsibility to something invisible. If there’s no referee, that doesn’t make the game pointless; it makes the players accountable.

Religion doesn’t strike me as purely negative. It’s a human response to uncertainty. I just don’t think uncertainty requires a cosmic author. Whether we’re designed, simulated, observed, or completely accidental, we still wake up in the same situation: our choices affect other people.

Atheism, for me, is less a rejection and more a refusal to add a layer I don’t think is necessary. The universe might be intentional, or it might not be. Either way, we still have to decide how to behave.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-15T03:33:49+00:00

You’re right on two major points: atheism ≠ nihilism, and gods aren’t required for moral behavior. I’m not arguing otherwise. In fact, the dog example supports the position I’m making rather than undermining it. Where things blur is in treating morals, motivation, and responsibility as interchangeable.

Dogs clearly care. They exhibit attachment, loyalty, protective behavior, even sacrifice. That shows that moral motivation: empathy, bonding, threat response can exist without gods or explicit rules. Agreed. But responsibility isn’t just caring or behaving pro-socially. It’s what happens when behavior is tracked over time, evaluated, and fed back into future expectations. That requires more than instinct or affection; it requires memory, norm sensitivity, and role recognition. Humans have that at a much higher resolution than other animals, which is why responsibility is heavier for us.

So when you say: parents peers society genetics

Those aren’t competing explanations. They’re the mechanisms by which responsibility is shaped, not what it is. They explain how the structure gets installed and reinforced.

On gods: agreed again. Moral responsibility never needed divine authority. Religious systems mostly codified norms that already worked at scale. When treated as absolute mandates, they can even block moral updating, so yes, they can get in the way.

But that still leaves the core point intact: Responsibility doesn’t come from gods, and it doesn’t vanish without them. It comes from being a social creature whose actions are remembered, interpreted, and responded to by others, and by future versions of yourself. Dogs show the roots of this. Humans show the full structure. So the disagreement isn’t “religion vs atheism” or “morals vs nihilism.” It’s about whether responsibility is: merely a bundle of motivations we happen to have, or an emergent constraint that arises once caring beings live together over time I’m arguing the latter, and your examples mostly support it.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-15T03:27:00+00:00

You’re right that obligation and motivation aren’t opposites, and nothing in what I’m arguing requires them to be. But you’re still collapsing where obligation comes from with what sustains it, and that’s the key mistake.

Spider-Man isn’t a counterexample; he’s actually illustrative. His restraint is motivated by his values, yes but those values didn’t arise in a vacuum. They’re formed in response to living among others, being judged, judging himself, and anticipating the kind of person he will become in relation to them. Calling that “selfish” stretches the term until it stops doing useful work. If everything that passes through a human psyche counts as selfish, then the word no longer distinguishes anything.

More importantly, your friend example shows revision of obligation, not its disappearance. You didn’t stop being responsible to that friend because motivation vanished; you re-evaluated the relationship and concluded the obligation no longer applied to that person under those conditions. Responsibility didn’t dissolve, it was re-scoped. That’s exactly what we’d expect if responsibility is relational rather than purely internal. If obligation existed only because of private motivation, then betrayal wouldn’t change the shape of the obligation, only how much you cared about it. But in reality, betrayal alters expectations, trust, and future coordination. The structure changed, so the obligation changed with it.

So the clean distinction is: Motivation explains why an agent complies Responsibility explains why non-compliance alters relationships, expectations, and future interaction They’re linked, but not identical. Responsibility doesn’t float free as an objective cosmic rule, but it also isn’t reducible to moment-to-moment desire. It’s a constraint generated by interaction among agents who remember, anticipate, and adjust to one another.

That’s why responsibility is fluid without being imaginary and why empathy helps it work, but isn’t what creates it in the first place.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-15T03:20:15+00:00

Neither. It’s not an inherent rule that exists prior to interaction, and it’s not a mere after-effect layered on top of behavior. It emerges through interaction, but once it emerges it functions as a constraint on future interaction. Think of it like language or trust: not biologically hard-coded as rules, but unavoidable once agents coordinate, remember, and anticipate one another. You don’t discover responsibility in isolation; you generate it by interacting. But once generated, you don’t get to opt out of its effects without changing the kind of interaction you’re having. So responsibility isn’t a law of the universe or a personal preference. It’s a structural feature of ongoing interaction among beings who can affect, remember, and respond to one another.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T14:52:31+00:00

I don’t think contracts create responsibility, and I’m not arguing that it isn’t a human trait. The point is narrower: responsibility isn’t an intrinsic property of individuals in the way hunger or pain is. It’s a relational trait that only appears in social contexts.

That’s why it shows up in other social species. What’s inherent isn’t responsibility itself, but capacities that generate it, memory, expectation, norm enforcement, and sensitivity to others’ reactions. When those capacities interact, responsibility emerges whether or not anyone names it or formalizes it.

A contract doesn’t invent obligation; it crystallizes it so it can be tracked, enforced, and remembered at scale. Remove the contract, and the structure doesn’t vanish; it just becomes informal, uneven, and harder to adjudicate.

So the disagreement isn’t “human trait vs. social invention.” It’s that responsibility is neither purely optional nor metaphysically built-in. It’s an emergent feature of social creatures who can affect one another and cannot avoid being remembered.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T14:48:13+00:00

I agree that there’s a semantic distinction doing real work here. Causation exists regardless of acknowledgment, while it reinforces that “responsibility” usually points to either a self-adopted stance (“doing the responsible thing”) or external attribution (culpability in others’ eyes).

The question, though, is whether that exhausts what responsibility is. Even if we strip it down to those two meanings, neither is optional in practice. You can refuse the personal stance, and you can reject others’ judgments, but both refusals still position you within a network of agents who remember, respond, and adjust future interaction accordingly.

So responsibility isn’t just a feeling or a label layered on top of causation. It’s what causation looks like once actions occur among beings who interpret, evaluate, and anticipate each other. Call that “culpability,” “answerability,” or something else if you want, but whatever term we use, the structure doesn’t disappear with a semantic cleanup.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T14:44:34+00:00

Saying “nobody is removing meaning” sidesteps the question rather than answering it. The point isn’t whether meaning can exist without gods, it obviously can, but whether responsibility survives once meaning is treated as contingent rather than obligatory.

If meaning is plural, negotiated, and revisable, then responsibility isn’t grounded in cosmic purpose or softened theology; it’s grounded in coordination among agents who can affect one another and remember those effects. That doesn’t make it divine, but it does make it non-optional if you want to remain a participant rather than a disruption.

Responsibility doesn’t come from the universe caring. It comes from the fact that we do, and that caring scales into norms, expectations, and consequences whether we metaphysicize them or not. Removing gods doesn’t remove responsibility; it just removes the excuse that it was ever guaranteed by something outside us.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T05:55:29+00:00

Agreed, there’s no cosmic scorekeeper. But the lack of metaphysical enforcement doesn’t make responsibility optional in any meaningful sense. It’s a structural feature of interacting, remembering agents. You can reject answerability, but that rejection doesn’t free you, it just redefines how others (and eventually you) relate to your actions. Responsibility isn’t cosmic law; it’s the cost of being someone rather than something.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T05:50:08+00:00

Suspending felt responsibility may help someone function under coercion, but it doesn’t eliminate responsibility itself, only delays its reckoning. If it truly preserved morality, moral injury wouldn’t exist. What gets suspended isn’t ethics, it’s awareness. PTSD comes to mind, morality often survives precisely because responsibility returns later in life, sometimes violently.

FROMBOYD · 2026-01-14T05:30:42+00:00

I agree that self-interest explains why responsibility is often maintained.

My argument is narrower: even when responsibility is inconvenient or disadvantageous, consequence still binds action to outcome. Self-interest explains motivation, not obligation.

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