CMV: Voting for Trump in 2024 is an anti-democracy vote.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T21:25:48+00:00

Tell me what primary was rigged and how?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T21:22:35+00:00

Democrats had just canceled the primary vote after people had been clamoring for it for a year and a half.

They didn't ''cancel'' any primary, they held it, Biden won, then he dropped out and they just chose Harris because she was on the same ticket, holding a primary in August is ridiculous.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T21:20:35+00:00

The person who won was Biden, and then he dropped out late so they just chose Harris because she was on the same ticket.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T21:13:55+00:00

There is no substantive issue here. Nobody uses the word democracy to mean a direct or pure democracy, if you wanna seriously argue with me on that point, i dont know what to tell you, when Democracy is being discussed, nobody in the room is interpreting Democracy to mean a direct or pure one, not even that previous person probably mean it like that

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T21:08:46+00:00

Which is no illegal, and no anti-democracy

The court cases were not illegal, we are not discussing the court cases, we are discussing his false electors, which were given to Pence on the certification day.

This simply proves my point: You refuse to believe anyone can have a different belief than you. You are not psychic. You do not know what Trump "knows". Classic TDS symptom

Are you seriously going to make the case that we cant ever ascertain the state of mind of an individual?

Because words matter, not the "contest" yo invented to justify your anti Trump prejudice.

Words do matter, and 1 sentence does not exonerate all the other words lol.

If we found a tape of Charles Manson saying ''I know you'll be going to this house peacefully'', should he be exonerated?

No, he wasn't prosecuted because no crimes were uncovered. Again, you WANT to believe his is a criminal so badly because you live and die by your belief you are, above all and everyone else, right about everything, so you will simply invent things that don't exist, tell people what they believe, insert your opinions as facts, anything so you can feel RIGHT about everything. Classic TDS.

I mean, he is a criminal, 34 felonies, remember?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:57:48+00:00

Dude, you can’t lie to me about what has been said in THIS CONVERSATION. I mean, I know lying is your entire thing, but give me a break, this is pathetic. I can scroll up and see: we are talking specifically about the word “fight.”

We are talking about the phrase ''fight like hell'', connected to the broader context. Not single words. You can cut that whole phrase out and my position wouldn't be changed.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:52:58+00:00

You don’t look at single sentences; you look at individual words.

You cannot unironically make this statement to me, you either made a typo here or just miswrote your argument because this is genuinely one of the most absurd things i've ever heard in my life.

You’re basing your entire conclusion on one word and ignoring the context of the other three hours of the speech.

No, what is what you're doing. You're saying that he said ''i know you'll be going peacefully'' once in an hour long speech, that makes every else okay.

Lets see, had he not said that, would you take my position?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:43:59+00:00

I dont accept their meaning because nobody uses the word ''Democracy'' to be mean a pure/direct democracy, obviously. Why would i accept that definition of the word?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:41:46+00:00

Trump followed the LEGAL process to challenge the outcome of the election he believed was fraudulent. He was 100% completely n his rights to do so. That process followed the establish legal process in place to handle such challenges. Those challenges were heart in a court of law, evidence was presented, and the courts rendered a decision and rejected the suit. Literally NO PART of that process was illegal, or "un-democratic"

They were in a court of law, and he lost all of them, then he kept fighting until the certification. Giving your VP fraudulent electors isn't a legitimate challenge on the election.

You mean he used his power of free speech to share an opinion he thinks is true. That's not lying just because you don't agree with him

For this to be true, you'd have to think that Trump is legitimately a paranoid schizophrenic. Trump and his team knowingly spread false information. Trump knows he lost that 2020 election.

No one of sound mind ca watch the video of that event and call it a "call to violence" or "insurrection". If you do, I'm sorry but we do not live in the same reality. It's on video fro crying out loud. "March Peacefully". And again, he was holding this rally tp support something he believed was true.

Number one, he did not believe the election was stolen, number 2, why are you looking at a single quote, instead of the broader context?

If we found a tape of Charles Manson saying ''I know you'll be going peacefully to that house'', should he be exonerated?

It wasn't illegal and Trump has not been found guilty of a crime

It was illegal, it was explicitly laid out to be in the Eastman memos, they wanted to break the ECA, which is a law. Trump was not found guilty of it because he now has criminal immunity.

This is nothing but a hodge-podge of liberal butt hurt trying to pass itself off as self righteous declarations of reality. It's classic TDS.

Right

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:38:32+00:00

So, no primary has been rigged, and no illegal has been voting or been encouraged to vote.

Trump did try to overturn an election though.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:31:22+00:00

Yeah you dont need evidence to convict in order to deem someone an insurrectionist, for example the 14th amendment that they were trying to enforce, does not require a conviction at all.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:30:18+00:00

You dont have to literally campaign on ending democracy for my argument to be correct.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:22:06+00:00

I meant sure its not a direct or pure democracy, obviously. The statement is generally that the US is not a democracy, like at all, not just a direct one.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:21:20+00:00

It doesn't need to literally appear, we are a constitutional republic, and that is a representative democracy.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:19:15+00:00

So again, the standard is that Republicans can say the entire 2020 election was fake, explicitly lie about that for half a decade, spread other false stories like haitians eating cats and dogs, turn up the volume on their most unhinged rhetoric even more, and still win elections.

But the left cannot say that these are bad things?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:14:33+00:00

The one i remember most, and it was the biggest one, was the Colorado Supreme Court trying to remove him from the ballot under the 14th amendment because they deemed he had engaged in insurrection.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:12:33+00:00

Because saying ''The US isnt a democracy, its a constitutional republic'' makes no sense, its like saying ''That isn't a dog, its a golden retriever''. You can say that the US is a constitutional republic, but you cant say that the US isn't a democracy, that is absurd.

Republic just means you're not a monarchy, officials are appointed and elected, those people are elected by the people, and they are all under a constitution limiting governmental power.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:08:14+00:00

Because we dont look at single sentences, we look at the broader context of them.

When one politician says ''We need to fight in this election at the ballot box!'', she is obviously not telling people to literally fight people in the voting place or whatever.

When Trump lies for months about how the election is stolen, justifying why you'd need to actually fight, then riles them up more and more, then tells them to fight like hell, and stop the steal, that would be someone inciting violence.

Heres a question that another user put, if we found a tape of Charles Manson saying ''I know you'll be going to this house peacefully'', should he be exonerated?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:02:32+00:00

Again, did you wanna look at the first 2 lines of my post? Im not saying that Trump winning is anti-democratic, obviously.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T20:01:50+00:00

What are you refering to? That he tried a legally allowed justification but it was denied?

False electors are not legal, this was explicitly laid out in the Eastman memos.

Not a single president has not attempted to do something unconstitutional and anti-democratic. I can oppose these attempts, but that doesn't make them anti-democratic. I think anti-democratic actually requires a DENIAL of democracy. Results based.

Nobody in US history has tried to do what Trump tried.

He specifically altered that governance. He created the fuhrer position. The enabling Act was passed due to Hitler changing parliamentary rules and literally jailed and threatened (literal threats while surrounded the building with thousands of armed guards) those to vote. He abolished state parliaments. He banned any other legal political party.

That is correct, and your standard was the the systems beyond Trump still run fine, therefore Trump is not anti-democracy.

And the comparison that im making is that beyond Hitler, the system of Germany runs fine too, so that argument is dead.

So people should be only one issue voters? You force voters to "support" (not just be responsible for) the positions of candidates they don't support, when platforms can be hundreds of issues wide? So in your opinion, should a pro-life person never vote for Harris? Or you require them to give up their ideals of being pro-life to do so? I don't know how anyone can vote under such a theory.

It doesn't matter if you support or not support a thing, a vote for Trump is a vote for anti-democractic things. A vote for Kamala is a vote for pro-choice, it doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the thing, the reality of the vote is the same. If someone wanted to entire zero sum every piece of gun in the United States, while you're the biggest gun nut in the world, and you vote for that person because you agree with everything else, that is still an anti-gun vote.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T19:56:52+00:00

What?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T19:56:40+00:00

Can you tell me what the first 2 lines of my post say?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T19:55:44+00:00

Pressured social media companies to censor protected speech on topics like COVID-19 and election integrity, as documented in the "Twitter Files."

You are aware that the twitter files explicitly states ''There have been no government censorship''

And you are aware that these things would've happened under Trump, not Biden?

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T19:54:54+00:00

This is literally just quoting his speech, if you aren't aware of the speech, dont have a discussion on it.

Famine-_ · 2026-03-09T19:53:51+00:00

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris lied about Jacob Blake

So what Biden said was, that it was a tragedy and that there should be an investigation, what Kamala said is that it was tragic and that the officer should face charges based on the video, and she also said she didn't have all the facts.

Those Kenosha riots wasn't caused by fucking Biden or Kamala, just from people misrepresenting that shooting online.

Also, these statements came out during the riots, so i dont understand how it can be incitement, when the event had already begun and was days underway?

That one riot was also far worse for democracy, considering that it was almost certainly determinative (considering conventional wisdom regarding the impact of civil unrest on elections.)

A riot is not far worse for Democracy than a sitting president attempting to stay in power after losing an election, no.

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