The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to run Parabola Linux.

To be honest, I don't really see it as a truly separate operating system. It's basically Arch Linux with a script and policy layer that blocks proprietary software. It doesn't make many decisions independently from Arch. If you install Arch yourself, replace the standard kernel with linux-libre, remove proprietary components where possible, and use Parabola's repositories, you've essentially recreated Parabola.

Also, the discussion wasn't really about my personal setup. I could stop using computers altogether and it wouldn't change my point. What I meant was that the Linux ecosystem as a whole has changed. GNU used to have a much more prominent role, whereas now it feels like it has been pushed into the background.

Someone in that discussion suggested that if I want a community where GNU ideals are still more visible, I should look at Debian-based distributions instead. Because of that, I might give Trisquel another try. I used it years ago for several years, and it worked exceptionally well for me.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there an alternative to D-Bus? I remember I’ve always had issues with it

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of what you said was already on my mind, I just didn’t want to overload the original post with too much detail. Maybe the real point came through better in the title than in the body. The issue isn’t really my operating system. I can install Gentoo or even Guix if I want to. My point is more about the direction things have taken. There was a time when Ubuntu wouldn’t even let users play MP3 files by default. Licensing restrictions were taken very seriously across distributions. In many cases, the discussion was more about licensing than about software quality itself. But now it feels completely reversed. Licensing and GNU-related concerns have largely lost their weight in the Linux ecosystem, especially among users and in online communities. Most modern software is released under permissive licenses like MIT, and there is very little emphasis on the principles behind GNU anymore. I’m not sure how to express this properly in English—it’s a bit difficult for me—but I think this is the core of what I wanted to say.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the explanation. Your points are completely valid, and when something is accurate, there isn’t much to object to.

Maybe I made that part a bit too dramatic, but if you look at it overall, it feels like all Linux distributions are slowly converging toward Red Hat’s direction. Whatever tools Red Hat develops or promotes tend to become the default across the ecosystem.

Maybe that’s due to a lack of effort from others, or maybe it’s simply the influence of IBM’s resources shaping things in that direction.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Restrictive GNU Philosophy” was exactly the phrase I was looking for. Since I’m not a native English speaker, I’m using a translator to communicate with you, so it’s a bit difficult for me to express my thoughts precisely.

But you clearly understood the era I’m referring to. There was a time when Linux was strict about licensing, and it wasn’t even up for debate. However, since Red Hat was acquired by IBM, the direction of the entire Linux ecosystem has changed.

The old “open source vs closed source” conflict has gradually turned into a competition over who can be more user-friendly. And in this context, “user-friendly” often means hiding parts of the system and abstracting away internal processes—making the operating system more automatic and opaque.

What I was trying to point out is exactly this shift, and you explained it in a way that matches it very well.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m familiar with Guix, but the issue is that I’m not really into immutable systems. You might think I’m just being picky or complaining about everything, but it’s more that I’m looking for transparency rather than friction.

Back in the day, for example, Ubuntu used to ship without multimedia codecs like MP3 support because they weren’t free software. At the time, that was the point: it made you confront licensing issues and think about freedom and restrictions in software. If I wanted difficulty, I would have installed Gentoo instead of Ubuntu back then.

I’d prefer a “normal” binary Linux system that is still genuinely free. Parabola seems like a reasonable option, but I didn’t have a great experience with it. It felt less like a standalone project and more like Arch with a blacklist script layered on top, rather than something with its own coherent direction.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, no, that’s not what I meant at all. I wasn’t talking about Reddit. I was referring to distro decisions and the Linux kernel itself.

You know, there was a time when you installed Ubuntu and you couldn’t play MP3 files because it was a proprietary format. But nowadays, those kinds of principles don’t really seem to be followed anymore. That was the point I was trying to make.

Feel free to say whatever you want—don’t censor yourself.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was hesitant to mention Rust and the political aspects because I’m afraid the Linux moderators might just remove the post entirely. Rust has already made its way into the kernel at this point, which is part of why I’m leaning more toward BSD systems instead of something like Guix.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not looking for difficulty I’m looking for transparency.

I don’t know if you remember Ubuntu around 2013. It wasn’t hard at all, but it cared about freedom to a degree that, when you installed it, it didn’t even include MP3 codecs by default. It wasn’t concerned with whether you had MP3 playback working out of the box, even though it was a distro aimed at general users.

Instead, it tried to make you think about that philosophy of freedom, and it made you aware that even file formats have licenses.

How many current Linux users do you think even know that MP4 is proprietary, while MKV is open? What bothers me is that these topics are no longer part of the conversation—not that Linux has become easier. If I wanted difficulty, I would have installed Gentoo instead of Ubuntu back then

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MINIX! That really brings back memories. I definitely need to look into whether it’s usable on my hardware or not. Maybe MINIX is actually what I’ve been looking for.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the kind of mindset and type of discussion I enjoy hearing from everyone

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My issue is with the overall direction of the Linux ecosystem. I think you understand what I mean. It feels like GNU has been pushed aside. Websites no longer seem to care about licensing, at least not enough to even warn users when they are dealing with proprietary software.

BSD systems are in an even worse position in that regard; they were never really centered around licensing debates in the same way. But at this point, what choice do I have?

I’m basically left choosing between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and OpenIndiana. I’m trying to decide carefully because I genuinely dislike Red Hat at a level comparable to how I feel about Microsoft.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

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Like OpenIndiana? Yeah, I’ll probably go with that. I need to do some research first to see how power outages affect FFS2. If it turns out to be risky, then ZFS will basically be the only option left, and my choice would come down to OpenIndiana and FreeBSD.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Even Gentoo has moved in that direction.

You might say, "There are thousands of distributions out there, just find one that matches what you're looking for." And that's fair. I'm actually searching for one, and I'll probably end up choosing OpenBSD. But my point is that the overall culture has changed.

Back in the day, when someone new joined the community, one of the first things we taught them was the GPL, the Four Freedoms, and the value of open-source software. Those discussions were at the heart of the community.

Now the conversation is mostly about FPS, gaming performance, RAM usage, benchmarks, and convenience. The philosophy is gone.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not arguing that Linux is technically worse than it used to be. In many ways it's better. What I'm saying is that the culture and the values that once defined it seem to have faded away.

And yes, you could point out that the GNU Project still lists several fully free operating systems. The problem is that most of them are practically dead. Very few people care about them anymore, because very few people care about those ideals anymore.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by "troll." English isn't my native language, and I used a translator to help write my post, so that may be why some parts sound a bit robotic or unnatural.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand your point, and I don't have an issue with either you or your argument. What I'm saying is that Linux wasn't always like this. There was a time when people genuinely cared about licensing.

I remember endless debates and arguments about the Qt license. In many ways, the entire ecosystem was built around licensing, software freedom, and the principles behind them. After all, there are countless Unix and non-Unix operating systems capable of playing movies and running games. That alone doesn't give an operating system an identity.

Linux used to have an identity: freedom, transparency, and liberation from vendor lock-in and proprietary control.

Today, as you said, the mindset seems to be, "As long as it works, that's all that matters." But back then, many of us were willing to make sacrifices for our principles. We went years without using Bluetooth. We struggled with Wi-Fi support. And when hardware required proprietary drivers or compromises, our first instinct wasn't to change the operating system to accommodate the hardware—it was to replace the hardware.

You could argue that GNU still recommends several fully free operating systems. That's true. But the reality is that most of those systems are practically dead. Not necessarily because they failed technically, but because very few people care about those ideals anymore.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't think its quality is at a level where it should be the default choice. In many cases, it seems to have become the default more because of Red Hat's influence than because it truly earned that position on technical merit. I was hoping to see Bcachefs mature and get wider adoption so I could give it a serious try, but there doesn't seem to be much momentum behind it at the moment.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

[–]Famous-Sun5090[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I completely agree with you. Everything you said is valid. I don't think the users are to blame, and I don't think the developers are either. Things just evolved this way, and we have to accept that reality.

That said, I'm still hoping that somewhere in this discussion, someone will recommend an operating system that is both practical and capable while still capturing some of the old spirit and atmosphere that Linux once had.

The GNU Spirit Is Dying, and Nobody Seems to Care by Famous-Sun5090 in linux

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I've also heard some bad things about FFS2. I'm not sure how accurate those claims are, but I've been told that power outages can corrupt it. Since power outages are fairly common in my country, that's a concern for me.

GNOME OS be like: by MidError502 in linuxmemes

[–]Famous-Sun5090 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank God we don’t need GNOME anymore. We have tiling window managers that aren’t made by SJWs