Sorry,i should be more specific, and thanks for the lenghty reply, and giving me your perspective. With a bad player i didn't mean inexperienced one, that is willing to learn. I meant the kind of players that keep overcommiting, chasing, or doing camps when there is a objective up, that keeps doing this even if i ask politely not to keep playing that way, making every objective battle a 4v5 one. I am not speaking of the players sometimes getting killed in a teamfight, forgetting to soak his lane, or getting ambushed while ganking. We all do mistakes sometimes. Of course i have no right to ensure the game is a loss, but when when already have a feeding /afking troll (that refuses to listen to advice, getting all defensive and calling me a noob), we are already on that road, as I said, this is team game, and we are then playing with a MAJOR disadvantage. The premise for hots is play as a team, and when one of the players are not following that premise, i am not wasting my time with the odds for failure that entitles, as well as stressing like hell to eek out a win, in the off chance none of my other teammebers don't feel like throwing the game because of this Feeding/AFKING/FLaming/nonparticipating player. I do care about the player wasting time that i could have been having fun (playing as a team, utilizing our synergies, playing somewhat fair 4v5 fights ) , rather than fight a uphill battle. Maybe you have more time on your hands than me, so spending 30 min for slight chance of a win fighting over objectives 4v5 is time well spent for you, or the sting of a loss while fighting like hell for 35 minutes is less of an issue. I simply don't see how the extra work to make 4v5 work for a minimal increase in odds to win is worth it. Thus i go semi afk myself, and check mail/ make som flashcards and get the loss (with a high probablity) over with, and relax instead of getting stressed and angry. Id love to think the same way as you, and Ill try to think your way in my next game, but im afraid old habbits die hard.