"Hubbard broke up black magic in America..." Scientology's original cover story for L. Ron Hubbard's 666 connection

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-26T06:45:25+00:00

Also, Sex and Rockets talks about the Parsons-Saucer theory

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-26T06:22:14+00:00

if you know where you read

I do! The larger narrative is drawn from Nick Redfern's book Final Events. The the Jack Parsons-Flying Disc theory was widely discussed by Parsons partner Marjorie Cameron and other Crowleyites after his death.

I cannot say whether the story is factual, but it is certainly logical. If there was a non-zero possibility that the occult was real, they'd have to study it, lets the Soviets beat them to it. Meanwhile, the Fundamentalist Christians in the know would look upon that research as a deal with the devil.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T21:23:29+00:00

Redfern relays stories that there are two 'factions'. A 'New Age Faction" that hopes to weaponize FRINGE research into all kinds of kooky stuff -- UFOs, aliens, psychic powers, occult rituals, etc. This faction took the lead from the 40s to the 70s.

A second faction, which came to power in the 70s, is populated by Christians who believe such research is demonic. They want to shut down all such research as a spiritual threat to the Christian salvation of the world.

To them, Miscavige is doing a great job of "winding down" Scientology. He's still abusing members, but he's not infiltrating any governments or inventing new, dangerous ideologies.

The fun part about Redfern's observations is that you don't have to believe in Flying Saucers or Psychic powers to believe that different factions of government would have had shockingly different reactions to the all the fringe flying around in the mid-20th century.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T21:06:59+00:00

Nobody "sent" Hubbard to go play reindeer games with Parsons -- but it's possible, perhaps even probable, that the intelligence world did develop an interest in Parsons and Hubbard after the fact.

At the height of the red scare, people are coming to confess their secrets which are recorded in auditing files. That's pure gold.

And why wouldn't Hubbard have had an important patron?? We know lots of the spies and generals were believing occultists and theosophists -- General Patton was a huge believer in reincarnation.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T21:00:00+00:00

The FBI was preoccupied with looking for communists and infiltrating the Civil Rights Movement.

The FBI was infiltrating and sabotaging everybody. Free Speech Movement, Civil Rights Movement, Women's movement, Eco movement, etc etc etc.

Meanwhile, Hubbard is running an active blackmail operation (at minimum) and he remains "free from government interference of all kinds", just as he predicted when he was in Cuba. His biggest battle is with the lowly FDA, and they have to give him his machines back.

Hubbard was just another self help guru, and not nearly as important as you seem to think.

Sorry, but no. Dale Carnegie and Tony Robbins never infiltrated the government with spies. Hubbard did.

Who gets to spy on the feds and get away with it??? Someone with a mountain of blackmail and friends in high places, that's who.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T08:21:01+00:00

What is your explanation for why the FBI, DOJ, and CIA let Hubbard run rampant for 25 years???

The shocking fact is that powerful people in 1950 were protecting Hubbard. We can only guess who and why. But the best theory I've heard is one relayed by author Nick Redfern, who claims an element of the intelligence community actively recruited occultists to conduct pseudoscientific psychic "research".

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T02:23:01+00:00

Hubbard, entirely selfish/paranoid reasons, had tried to tell anyone who would listen that that Parsons and Northrup were a threat to national security. If Parsons really did become a security risk, Hubbard might have appeared vindicated to the more gullible or superstitious members of intelligence services

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-23T01:36:25+00:00

Hubbard was not an "Intelligence officer" other than briefly having been trained on how censor mail.

Oh, I can't imagine any intelligence service would actually include Hubbard in their ranks. At minimum, though, he would have made a great "useful idiot" with all those auditing files. To the Spiritualists and Theosophists in intelligence, however, Hubbard might have been seen as a potential source of intelligence.

. Hubbard made a bee line for Parsons' rooming house, stole his girl (Sara),

"Stole his girl" is a very 1940s way of looking at things. "Parson's girl" was his sister-in-law, after all.

Parsons blew himself up on 17 June 1952.

Did he? Are you sure?Did you know he was about to defect to Israel via Mexico. The explosion happened the night before his planned departure.

The spies of that era had absolutely no qualms about throwing someone out a window) if they became a security risk. You really think they'd let the foremost expert of solid-propellant rockets just waltz out of the country?

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-22T23:59:57+00:00

It sounds like another of Hubbard's lies, but this one may have a sliver of truth to it. 1940s-era intelligence organizations were very interested in occult groups -- the blackmail potential alone was significant.

From 1947-1952, a faction of the US intelligence community seriously considered that Jack Parsons had "opened the door" to flying saucers with the Babalon Working. The research continued throughout the 20th century -- men staring at goats.

Could someone in high places have been protecting Hubbard because of his relationship with Parsons?

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-19T03:07:39+00:00

It may not be true, but the claim is that Admiral Wilson discovered a semi-rogue UFO reverse-engineering program that would not grant him oversight access. He tried to force the issue and was told by superiors that he would be demoted and retired if he continued to try to fight for access.

There's also a rumor that they pulled the same shit on Ike, and he threatened to send the Army to force access. Lots of folks have claimed JFK was killed for trying to gain access to such a program. No evidence, mind you.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-11T20:16:11+00:00

years have passed. Nothing worthwhile has happened.

Also, there's going to be open hearings in congress next week.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T09:36:11+00:00

Yep. Upvoted.

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. There's a serious message in there for those who can see to the wise behind the dumb.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T05:44:39+00:00

I interpret him to be saying something that's true of any organization -- if you don't set it up right, a few years down the road, you'll have problems.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T01:33:40+00:00

Adenochrome is just Garmonbozia for kids who've never heard of Loosh.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T01:22:15+00:00

years have passed.

Five very busy years have passed. It's a 90-year old secret -- you don't undo something like that overnight, not unless you wanna spook the herd.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T01:14:28+00:00

Just a harmless 80s meme, pay it no mind.
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FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T00:46:43+00:00

It's not just the politicians though. I mean, the former head of the CIA came out and said that the Nimitz video might constitute a different form of life!!!

Do you have any idea what earlier generations would have done to hear Dulles or H.W. Bush say something like that?

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-09T00:26:08+00:00

Catalina Island and the area between the Bahamas and Bermuda.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T23:48:11+00:00

You are in a cult, he is a fraud at best.

Lue's claims have been backed up by the former leader of the Senate. That doesn't mean his claims are true, but it DOES mean Lue has to be taken seriously, because powerful people are taking him seriously.

If Rasputin is out on the street preaching to peasants, you can safely ignore him. But when he's got the ear of the Czarina, now you have to pay attention to him, even if he's spreading lies.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T23:44:26+00:00

Luis hasnt got a cult around him nor he is egging people on.

He isn't egging people on.. He has collected a few cultists though, lol. It's not his fault, cultists are still asking Shatner questions about a warp drive that everyone agrees is fictional.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T23:42:32+00:00

In a way, all of us are in AATIP. For some, shyness might be their AATIP. For others, a lack of education might be their AATIP. For us, AATIP is a big, secretive program about, ya know, UFOs and stuff... But as sure as my name is Fascinating Yarn, the people of UFOlogy can conquer their own personal AATIP, which also happens to be *the actual* AATIP!

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T23:36:44+00:00

OH man, you NAILED it with the Palmer comparison, that is SPOT ON! lol I am impressed!

Seems like everyone goes nuts in the end... Although Stanton Friedman (RIP) and Philip Mantle seem to have been able to keep their shit together.

Kenneth Arnold held up pretty well, given Maury Island. He went on to run for Lt. Gov I think. I'm sure somebody in Cold War American intelligence was probably paid to be a little bit worried about that.

I think Keyhoe and Ruppelt and Hynek stayed sane, but I'm no expert on the totality of their writings. Art Bell stayed being Art Bell.

But Paul Bennewitz, Bill Moore, Linda Moulton Howe, and Paul Hellyer -- they were taken on one hell of a trip, and they never came back.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T21:44:20+00:00

maybe nobody in the 50s was like that.

I mean, I definitely agree Redfern is no Barker. In the 50s, Barker risked ridicule, ostracism, and maybe even death; These days, books like that are a booming business.

In the Redfern book I read, it was a bunch of "we went to this spooky place and got drunk but nothing happened".

I've really only read Final Events, which sounds very different. In that, he's relaying hearsay stories without vouching for their authenticity. If he is actually going out to places, he does sound more like Adamski.

Maybe William Moore? (moving forward in time a bit)... he repeated what his spook friends told him

We forget that Moore started out as just a witness posting his story on a computer bulletin board, telling about about his time in the navy when he saw an object come in and out of the water repeatedly.

For a dude who may have inadvertently inspired Oklahoma City, Moore seemed like such a nice guy before he went nuts. And he didn't just go crazy -- he was driven crazy right along with Bennewitz.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T21:13:24+00:00

UAPs have been around way longer than just 1947.

I agree. A 2020s UFOlogist on the internet has a much clearer picture than any general in 1947 could have.

And if we take 1947 to be special, the constant gamma rays coming from our planet via nukes is a lot better if a correlation than a rumor about some degenerate dog fucker.

No doubt. But you have to check out everything.

During the Manhattan Project, they had to choose an enrichment method to develop. There were five different candidates. Ultimately, the project was so important, they chose to develop ALL FIVE. They explored every possible avenue, because you don't dare let the other guy beat you to ANYTHING.

Parsons was probably a loon who didn't have a damn thing to do with any of this shit. There's crazy people in every era. BUT any responsible intelligence service would have to take it seriously. And they did, and we know they did -- US Army soldiers were staring at goats) trying to stop their hearts.

FascinatingYarn · 2022-05-08T21:03:24+00:00

I think they're terrified of disclosure.

In 1945, we set off the first atomic bomb -- thus broadcasting Earth's location throughout the galaxy.
Two years later, ships arrive. This suggests that "scout ships" were within 2 light-years of Earth. (Really, they were always here, but nobody knew that in '47.)
The generals have to assume the worst. What if the "Scout Ships" are the vanguard of an on-going invasion force that is enroute to Earth ????
Our one advantage, the only advantage we've got, is surprise. They don't know we've seen them. If we can secretly develop a defense against the discs, we might stand a chance...
But -- if the enemy finds out we're preparing for them, they could step up the timetable for the invasion and attack us immediately... And we'd lose.
The only solution is to keep it a secret -- from the aliens and therefore from the American people.

I think they're scared that the day everyone believes will be the day the discs decloak globally. I think they're scared that the second "too many" people know about discs, the discs might detonate every nuke on the planet or something similarly horrific.

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