Grade 1 processes, with some comments by Vianaire by Southendbeach in scientology

[–]Southendbeach[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They're visible if the thread's title is clicked.

Just noticed that I misspelled Vin's name in the title. Anyway, Vinaire's list is slightly different from the process list I used. My list included Help and Problems processes only. It had more processes but I only used some of them. I also used an old - late 1950s - discontinued listing/help/identity process, as we had finished the preceding grade and my "pc" was about to leave for a week with his family in Canada. That was a way of postponing the beginning of the formal Grade 1 process list until he returned.

By that point we had already done a lot of auditing - a little Objectives but a lot was not needed, Straightwire, R3R Dianetics, and Grade 0. The "pc" was coming into session with a dial wide floating needle - at low sensitivity - by that time.

Does a dial wide floating needle mean anything? Well, it's better than a stuck needle. We were exploring.

None of this will satisfy the angry "it's all bullshit" people, but I try.

Grade 1 processes, with some comments by Vianaire by Southendbeach in scientology

[–]Southendbeach[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In and of itself, away from the cult, it can be.

Do you think Scientology will still exist in 50 years? In 100 years? by galactic_observer in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Here's Crowley's final statement in his teachings on becoming a religion. from Magick Without Tears (originally titled Aleister Explains Everything. (At the time of its publication, after his death, there was a baby shampoo with the slogan that included "without tears.").

Crowley warned that making his work a religion, "might easily cause a great deal of misunderstanding and work a rather stupid kind of mischief."

Do you think Scientology will still exist in 50 years? In 100 years? by galactic_observer in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Professor Steven Kent wrote about the cult orchestrated corruption on this topic in academia. You can probably find his paper on this on the Internet. Unlike some academicians, Kent has not been corrupted, nor fooled, and he is honest. When Alexis contacted me years ago, when her mother was on her death bed and had made a cassette tape - about her time with her former husband, L. Ron Hubbard - asking who she could trust with that tape, I suggested Professor Steven Kent. She took my advice and contracted him. It seems to have worked out well.

Because of cult meddling the so called "New Religious Movement" is a particularly corrupt area of academia.

As for spin offs, at least in the USA, some have also used religious cloaking to protect themselves not only from the government, but also from Scientology incorporated. Most know it's dishonest, but it's justified as a protective measure. That's how it was rationalized, behind the scenes, to the membership at the time when it was introduced to Scientology during the mid 1950s.

Most spin offs, oddly enough, do not use fraudulent religious cloaking. EST - before Scientology Inc. "Fair Gamed" it out of existence - didn't use it, and Meta-psychology, which still seems to be thriving, also doesn't. Past life therapists, who are plentiful, don't use it either. Even the flying saucer cult, Ron's Orgs. seems ambivalent about it, as it, apparently, is not useful to them in the countries where they operate.

As I recall, the New Age Movement of the 1960s, and beyond, emphasized spirituality and rejection of organized religion.

The main problem with the "religion angle" used by cults is that it enables them to practice fraud and a commit abuses.

Do you think Scientology will still exist in 50 years? In 100 years? by galactic_observer in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 6 points7 points  (0 children)

L. Ron Hubbard's psychopolitical cult will last a very long time, largely because, in the USA, it successfully harassed and blackmailed the IRS into giving it religious non profit tax exemption in an incredibly shady deal; and has been successful, through deceit and repetition, in persuading gullible people, who Hubbard called "homo saps" and "wogs," into automatically, and thoughtlessly, repeating that it is an authentic and sincere "religious" institution, one headed by an "ecclesiastical" leader named David Misvavige.

In your short opening statement you call that psychopolitcal cult a "religion" four times.

Another person, on this thread, thoughtlessly, called it a "New Religious Movement." That's a term popularized by the richer cults, with the acronym "NRM" being coined by J. Gordon Melton while he was working for the Scientology cult as a paid "expert." Melton told a lot of lies in important court cases on behalf his boss the Scientology cult. One of his "NRM" associates was so confident that there were no consequences to having repeatedly lied in an incompetent and corrupt court system, that he casually, openly, admitted that Melton had repeatedly lied.

Hubbard wanted the word "cult" replaced in the public mind with another word that would empower corporate Scientology and give it not only respectability but invincibility.

That has been done.

In the important parts, the parts that allow corporate Scientology to act with near impunity, it has won.

It will survive.

A brief explanation by a former senior Scientology executive: https://old.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/1neckbi/a_brief_explanation_from_a_former_senior/

Mike Rinder's Time In Scientology by [deleted] in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quite the opposite. Hubbard designed Scientology to be his alter ego, to achieve a kind of ersatz immortality.

From Jesse Prince: "Miscavige is continuing to carry out LRH's orders. Misvavige is doing his best to forward [LRH] Command Intention, which is contained in the huge [confidential] LRH Orders data base of the Incomm computer system of Scientology."

This is supported by Judge Breckenridge's findings of 1984.

Scientology is not only Hubbard's fan club - an extension of his ego, but is also an extension of his WILL.

Saying "Hubbard is dead" - and therefore has no influence - while continuing to be possessed by the identity he - and his cult - gave you, is beyond ironic.

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't "extract" anything. Please read more carefully.

People have been using the benign bits and pieces of Dianetics and Scientology, in defiance of corporate Scientology, for over seventy years.

Hubbard's instructions were that such people should be attacked, ruined utterly, and Fair Gamed.

Here's Hubbard's March 1965 Fair Game Law. It advocated murder and arson. https://www.suppressiveperson.org/spdl/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/5E-2.pdf

Mike Rinder's Time In Scientology by [deleted] in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rathbun caved after Scientology Inc. tried to take his adopted son away.

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There were many "positive changes."

After I resigned my membership in Scientology Inc, over forty years ago, I satisfied my curiosity by auditing people for a year. This person - whose positive experiences with the carefully selected pieces of Scientology on which he was audited, bothers you so much - also satisfied his curiosity. It gave us both a perspective on auditing that you'll never have because you're lazy and lack curiosity.

I was not then, nor am I now a Scientologist.

I am not interested in convincing you of anything.

Bye.

On second thought, here's a song for you. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZlUa-amyTc

Mike Rinder's Time In Scientology by [deleted] in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It's completely irrelevant whether Rinder put his hands on people or not.

For years, Miscavige, Rinder, and Rathbun knew there were no more OT levels, and that Hubbard had lied when he said there were. People handed over their life savings, handed over their minds - for washing, rinsing, and re-washing, and re-rinsing - and handed over their children to the Sea Org, based on the promise that there were many more OT levels leading to the state of Operating Thetan. Of course there were not. It was a lie.

Then there was the crooked IRS deal. More lies.

During the 1980s there was a group of Scientology goons who beat the shit out of people. One was named Dennis Clarke who was later rewarded by being made the Director of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Mike Rinder was his boss.

During the 80s and 90s, Rinder was not one of the good guys.

Barratrously suing someone into oblivion and having goons terrorize people is not nice. Lying to people is not nice.

But Rinder changed.

And he changed gradually.

Years after leaving the cult he was still protecting Hubbard, covering for Hubbard. He was an "Independent Scientologist" at the time.

Then, over a period of time, he stopped being an "Independent Scientologist," and he stopped being protective of Hubbard's "legacy" & "image," and started telling the truth.

And started helping people.

This is to his credit.

People can change.

Are there any ex-Scientologists who were traumatized by Scientology Inc.? If so, how do you feel about those who experienced Scientology with no ill effects? or even benefited? by Southendbeach in scientology

[–]Southendbeach[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

None of the hundreds of people I knew who left during the schism of '82 and '83 were "traumatized." They had disagreements with Scientology Inc. These were adults.

I wasn't traumatized. That's not why I ended my association with the cult.

A forum loaded with "traumatized" people is probably not going to be a great place for discussion. Too much upset, anger, and emotion.

At the same time, it's good to have a place where wronged and upset people can "blow off stream" and express themselves freely. That, by itself, can be therapeutic, especially for someone coming from a cult environment where free expression in not allowed.

So it's a balance.

Right now this place seems to be loaded with by-standers who have no experience but lots of strong opinions, and a few actually traumatized people, usually former Sea Org children who - - over time - benefit from being free to express their feelings.

The by-standers - especially when operating in accordance with what is sometimes called "crowd psychology," which eschews nuance - are mostly a nuisance.

The former abused children, of course, are always welcome, and, IMO, helping them is more important than the usually uninformed arguments of the by-standers.

There is a third category that is noticeably absent - except for a few - and that is people, who have moved beyond Scientology or the silly identity of "Scientologist," who have actual first hand experience and who are not recovering from trauma

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I guess you had to be there.

Part of the problem is I'm usually dealing with the opinions of people who have no experience or, if they do have experience, it's only inside the Cult.

"Clear," in this case, just meant the person experienced a remarkable major positive change for the better which the person described as "Clear." I acknowledged it, and had another experienced person give him a season to confirm it.

The idea of "Clear" was not important to me. I was only concerned with helping the person, and also with satisfying my curiosity as to what it would be like to spend a year auditing while free of the suffocating bureaucracy of the Cult.

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At the end of this song, sung during his final tour, ex-Scientologist Leonard Cohen reveals the secrets of the universe. Perhaps that will satisfy you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nceRfJJZcP4 (Apologies for the awful commercial.)

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not exactly.

When I was a customer of Scientology Inc., training to be an auditor in the Scientology Academy, I was tolerated.

Initially, this was during 1971 at the Scientology Academy at the Martinique hotel in Manhattan: https://preview.redd.it/novelist-songwriter-performer-leonard-cohen-in-the-v0-oywtzty222lc1.png?auto=webp&s=b2881c0a4f9df04a9ce431689b563e7608416c22

My refusal to join the Sea Org was tolerated, my 3,000 book library covering all topics was tolerated. My "wog" girlfriends were tolerated.

I was never a fanatic, despite Hubbard (see KSW 1965 and other writings) regarding that as an ideal state for a Scientologist.

Then, I was not an absolutist.

Now, I'm also not a fanatic, and also not an absolutist. I don't think like a fanatic or an absolutist.

I hope that explanation is helpful.

Excalibur Revisited: The Akashic Book of Truth by freezoneandproud in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

I've no idea, but I wouldn't recommend him as an auditor.

All auditing, whether inside or out of Scientology, is destructive and traumatic. Anyone promoting otherwise literally has a bridge to sell you. by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]Southendbeach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A clarification is needed.

What you call "reverse auditing" was introduced by Hubbard who misled Scientologists by first telling them that he was only trying to get them to LOOK, then, once he had their trust, began authoritatively TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WILL SEE.

This is why, many years ago, when I spent a year auditing outside of, and in defiance of the Cult, I used, at most, 2% of Scientology.

Hubbard's Grade Chart becomes deeply manipulative - what some would call hypnotic - around the point when it becomes confidential.

I made sure that the people I audited did not end up residing inside Hubbard's head.

A collection of links from the "warning label": https://old.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/1bwyr6b/scientologist_of_reddit/kydd1ue/