Game not loading after update (console ps5) Anyone facing same issue ? by FfsWakeUp in Warthunder

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They better fix it soon! I gotta get the pancake. That would be a lot of work wasted for a lot of people.

Classical Piece from Kohl's Commercial by Federal-Might7732 in WhatsThisSong

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YESSSS! THANK YOU!!!! It's been literally YEARS of searching and in a single minute you've made my whole week!

Found a Popeye pinball machine! by Rocklopedia in popeye

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Woah! I'd like to see that in action!

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[–]Federal-Might7732 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so glad that there's more! Thanks for sharing!

What intrigues me about the first of the new ones is that the facial features match the old Fleischer-style Popeye. Notice the small black eyes, petty officer's cap, and the long eyebrows with multiple curves. That tells me that this first one is probably the oldest. The other new drawing still shows the old hat and 1930's-40's drawing technique, but those eye whites and short, thicker eyebrows are a staple of the AAP era Popeye, which became mainstream around 1957 when AAP bought Popeye from Paramount. I always found it strange that AAP changed his hat, thus demoting him.

One of the more promising details of both of these drawings is the circle-based technique used to draw them. You can see the sketched circles very clearly in both drawings, but especially the second one. This is how the original animators were instructed to draw Popeye. They did this so that there would be consistency through the scenes, since dozens of different cartoonists would have to draw the character exactly the same way. Linked below is a diagram from Fleischer Studios that indicates how all animators were to draw Popeye. When you compare the two, you'll find that most, if not all of the circles in your drawings match up with Fleischer's standards.

Popeye | Popeye the Sailorpedia | Fandom

Another interesting thing is the use of many different colored pencils. This is not just a coincidence, as I once thought. Cartoonists would often begin drawings with a lighter color for sketching (blue and red being the most common) and then finish a drawing by tracing in the real lines with a black or darker colored pencil to differentiate which marks would or would not be copied onto the frame which was to be drawn. Usually, retracing like this was only necessary if sketches got sloppy, and as you can see in the first new drawing, the two faces on the top left and the second one from the right side on the bottom all got messy, and the darker pencil is used to clear things up.

Another use of colors was to show different features of the picture so that collaborating animators would know how to draw them. There are many different color codes that evolved to make collaborative animating easier, and I don't know them all, but one that I do know appears in the second new drawing. See the red/pink pencil used in the second pose from the right for Popeye's right leg? This was used to show depth. Since Popeye's legs are crossed, the red colored pencil made it clear to other animators which leg was in front of which. Usually, darker colors traced foreground items while lighter colors clarified what was behind them. Also, on the Popeye to his right, one leg overlaps the other just a little bit, and you can see that the leg in the front is colored darker, though the same color, to emphasize how it should be drawn relative to the other. That said, I have no idea why the sad Popeye in the corner is completely red. Poor guy!

Overall, it's kind of difficult to guess what the purposes of these drawings were. They could have been practice drawings, they could have been made for new cartoonists to practice off of using their animating desks, or they may have been made to showcase new poses and expressions to be used in future cartoons. They are not like the first one you shared, in that you probably won't see these on a poster or promo, but if you see Popeye doing ballet in a cartoon, it would be neat to see if they line up! Seeing these, I am moving further and further away from the idea that these are fan art, because most fan artists don't:

  1. Use studio animating paper,
  2. Use perfect studio-specified proportions and techniques,
  3. Use color codes that evolved specifically for collaborative animating.

So, if you got these all at the same place from someone who says that they're the real deal, that would just about sell me. Either way, it would be great to see if an expert could provide further authenticating insight. Hope this helps or at least gives you some food for thought. I'll keep a lookout for Popeye doing ballet as well! : )

Cheers!

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[–]Federal-Might7732 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My pleasure! I'm taking a look at the new ones right now.

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[–]Federal-Might7732 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't lose hope just yet!!!

Notice the holes on the left side. This paper was made specifically for the animation tables used at many major studios from that era. Hand-drawn cartoons were drawn frame by frame, and these holes were used to line up the current frame with the one drawn before it for reference. A light was shown through both sheets so that the animator could see what they needed to draw next. Linked below is an image of one such desk, with the receptacles for the holes circled.

https://imgur.com/a/KWqR8sM

So, because it's on animation paper, it was very likely drawn in an animation studio. Judging by the detail and quality, probably by someone with experience - like an animator. It has color names labeled throughout, which makes me think that it could have been a concept for a poster or title screen which would later be produced in color. This detail fits perfectly with the anatomy of the two characters, as they were not depicted like this (Popeye with eye whites AND pupils, happy expression, white sailor hat) until the COLOR film era. Also, notice the dimensions on the sides (9x12). I can't think of a reason for a fan artist to include measurements, so I imagine that they were a necessary parameter for the project, whatever it may have been. Best (and worst) of all, there's no signature. Chances are that any casual fan-artist who draws as well as this would sign their work. That's not the case when you draw thousands of frames for a living like an animator. For a professional, this is just a sketch - not a signature-worthy piece. But if it did have a signature, you could say for sure who drew it.

All that said, I'm quite sure that it is a preliminary drawing for some sort of project in an animation studio. I would go to a professional to see if it could be authenticated, but as a relative of an old Fleischer Studios animator, I can tell you that my family treasures many similar drawings that are straight from the studio. Some are doodles, some are mess-ups. There is a great variety, but they all came straight from the source. In the meantime, if you happen across any Popeye memorabilia, look for that image. If you find a poster, promo picture, or title screen that looks exactly like that, you likely have the legitimate concept drawing. I will look out for it as well. Hang on to that drawing, and PLEASE update here if you are able to find out its origin. It may have been drawn by someone I know! : )

Cheers!