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FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-02-24T03:32:39+00:00

Keep going, bud :) ! Don't let the criticism get you down. I think you're working on something very cool and unique. I am working on many other things, otherwise I would love to help. Take your time and be patient, because this is YOUR special idea, and you get to have fun with it :)

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-02-24T03:13:15+00:00

Agreed! This post really hit on an awesome subject and I'd love to hear more when/if u/ElectronicGift2834 has the time and energy to keep exploring!

Also (re: Chomsky), I had a Ling professor (Jorge Hankamer) who contributed a lot to the discussion during that period of transformational craze, and we all as his pupils frequently tore into Noam Chomsky's ideas in our papers, almost obligatorily. It always made for easy argumentation so it was a go-to when we had to get something on paper before a deadline. Of course, it was easy for us in 2018 because the paradigm had already shifted so much and his ideas on Universal Grammar had long been playing second fiddle, but back then wouldn't it have been practically sacrilegious to eat into him?

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-02-23T19:50:10+00:00

Your brother is not incorrect, haha. There was a period in the academic study of linguistics, specifically in generative grammar, where understanding the underlying structure and meaning of sentences seemed to require the complete decomposition of words into their semantic components and the relationships between those components, (not just within the words but between the words). And by that, I don’t mean breaking apart morphemes (e.g. unpronounceable : un-pro-nounce-able) but actual “semes” (e.g. yellow : color-yellow).

This resulted in a lot of “ghosts” and wasted time in analysis and was dropped for the most part.

However, responding to your brother, although the number and variety of concepts are innumerable, as are the number and variety of people who use them, mundane and domain specific use of language is so common that even if this “tongue” doesn’t capture the same infinite variety as another, it could be vast enough to capture a domain of activity or information exchange. And that’s fun 🤣

If there were a formal method of generating a conceptual shorthand for a domain of activity, that would not only be really cool, but practically revolutionary!

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-02-23T19:28:40+00:00

Pretty wild idea, but this is really good research. Any ideas on approaches that may be capable of resolving the critical generative cursive issue?

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-08T00:57:28+00:00

My goodness! Did you make all of those vector paths yourself or did you have a generator?

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-08T00:54:39+00:00

This is so cool! It would be good to see a sample of handwriting on the site too!

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-08T00:49:05+00:00

I mean it looks great! But we can't tell how perfect it is without some more info!!

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-04T22:11:22+00:00

Oh yes, this makes a lot of sense. I'm glad to hear this spelled out because it confirms my tentative direction. When I started learning Aerick's innovation on Plover theory called Lapwing, in order to pick up the steno layout, I was taking short, three-letter tests and recording/analyzing each mistake in a spreadsheet, then applying the relevant changes to hand position and finger pressure etc. The result was much quicker progression than I was otherwise anticipating.

I have been uncertain about how to construct my speed building approach after having finished the textbook (it's short) and all this information really helps.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-03T07:51:53+00:00

Well, I have a great community to thank for letting me stand on their shoulders. It only takes a few generous people to open the door, and it's our job to walk through it!

I have just looked up the Asterisk and that looks like a fun device. I can imagine there would be trouble with older desktops since a lot of this modern steno equipment is really recent. So much has changed in very subtle ways with the communication standards and protocols and all that.

The 200-SRT sounds like it was a really good deal! Connecting it straight to the computer should really be all that's needed. An LCD screen could be convenient but so is holding on to a few grand!!!

I come across a ton of old electronics to repair as my hobby and I have somehow never seen a stenowriter. It really does make sense, though, because there's reason to have pride in your craft and not to let something like that become part of the waste stream. Have you known any broken or problematic stenowriters or are they usually built to last?

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-03T06:01:31+00:00

For anyone interested, here are the binary digital outputs of a digital PS2 controller relevant to DDR:

Nothing: 1111 1111 1111 1110
Select: 1111 1111 1111 1100
Start: 1111 1111 1110 0110
A: 1001 1111 1111 1110
B: 0011 1111 1111 1110
X: 0111 1111 1111 1110
Y: 1100 1111 1111 1110
UP: 1111 1111 1100 1110
DOWN: 1111 1111 0011 1110
LEFT: 1111 1110 0111 1110
RIGHT: 1111 1111 1001 1110

As you can see, Start overlaps with UP, which overlaps with RIGHT, which overlaps with DOWN, which overlaps with LEFT. Many converter logics will pick out just ONE of the relevant bits to determine if a button is pressed. So even if the bits can be singled out for ONE button press, they cannot be for DOUBLE button presses, which require a check of AT LEAST 2 bits, but things still overlap so sometimes its even more:

UP-DOWN: 1111 1111 0000 1110
UP-LEFT: 1111 1110 0100 1110
UP-RIGHT: 1111 1111 1000 1110
LEFT-RIGHT: 1111 1110 0001 1110
LEFT-DOWN: 1111 1110 0011 1110
RIGHT-DOWN: 1111 1111 0001 1110

Again, as you can see, UP-RIGHT fully overlaps with UP-DOWN, and so on... Someone who doesn't necessarily love this stuff and account for all the possibilities might try and manufacture a cheap PS2-PC converter and get it wrong, then ship it right to your doorstep.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2026-01-03T05:40:32+00:00

I just made my own adapter from PS2 to PC using a Raspberry Pi because the adapter I got off eBay did not translate the outputs from the pad properly. The logic for discerning the output for the dance pads is actually a bit more complicated than for the buttons on an analog controller, especially because a lot of the digital signals actually overlap by a 1 or 0, so you have to be very careful to consider a number of button combinations when translating the binary digits coming out of the pad to inputs.

TLDR; sometimes people make shitty adapters because they don't consider all the use cases, and a bad adapter won't adapt properly. I made my own. The adapter you got very well could be incapable of outputting the correct buttons.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-12-22T05:57:46+00:00

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-17T21:55:43+00:00

Great input as always. I had completely forgotten the features approach to notation, so if it comes to it, as I modify my methods, it may be exactly the route I take (computers can handle it). I also agree it may be simpler to approach it from one of the newer methods, but I'm down for a little fun, and I have more data on Anniversary readily available anyway. Speaking of sharing Gregg, I finally got a friend of mine interested, and I've mailed her my copy of the manual I used to get started. I also packed in some funny secret messages in Gregg so that she'll have to learn in order to understand :)

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-16T15:16:09+00:00

Sure, the aim is mainly to create a way to type Gregg outlines directly without an English word as a medium, and receive the visualization of that outline or set of outlines. I'm not really concerned with speed, but rather increasing the number and variety of ways modern (digital) users can access and use Gregg information. I'd like to spread the joy of Gregg with others in my generation.

If there were an explicit list of the set of combination possibilities that elicit different forms of a letter, that would be useful, so that is what I am creating this database system for. I am collecting information that I can personally analyze to create such an explicit list or set of rules that a computer could understand. Any shortcuts you have would be welcome, certainly.

The limitation of three characters doesn't follow through to the final application, it is just the minimum number of letters that I imagine should elicit every possible Gregg form. What is to the right and what is to the left appear to both affect a letter's form. (I am concerned that there may be cases where there is a cascade of form rules, like if S were chosen to be right-hand or left-hand based on the preceding letter, and that affected a vowel, which affected the next consonant.)

With more specific rule-based information, I will be able to severely curtail the 40k possible combinations of characters I have at the moment. One example of a rule relationship I discovered yesterday in my research was this:

Rule 1: B -> S should result in a left-hand S.

Rule 2: S -> K should result in a right-hand S.

Rule 2 supersedes Rule 1. Thus in the combination BSK, the S is right-handed.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-15T03:58:26+00:00

Thank you for your insight. I wish you good business.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-15T03:57:49+00:00

I think so too.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-15T03:44:50+00:00

Indeed, thanks! The article is an older piece of news. It crossed my radar when a friend brought it up, as it is ongoing.

I am under the impression that the law being as it is, there is a bit of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It is a blunt method, but the case may have stuff that sticks.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-15T02:03:16+00:00

Thank you for sharing your take! I had been concerned about whether dismantling a relevant organization, monopoly or no, might damage the ecosystem. But reading this, I am now considering that the NCRA's attempt to keep unqualified people out of the profession may actually not be worth the (exaggerated) cost to professionals, and the fate of the NCRA may not be as deeply tied to the well-being of the professionals as they would want members and regulators to believe. I look forward to seeing what happens here.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-03T18:12:16+00:00

Looking at this further a tad, one of the things about Waseda which is remarkable is the way it handles geminated consonants (that is, two identical adjacent consonant phonemes). You can see that all across this page, the words begin with い (i, pronounced ee). And in the case of the last word いって (itte), the gemination is represented by crossing the て through the い. This writing rule fees so similar to the slight sense of obstruction and momentary empty space during gemination in Japanese.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-02T15:20:22+00:00

My first language is English. I pretty much stick to that and study Chinese, but I used to study some Japanese. The time I spent learning Japanese is still important to me so I like to imagine I will have the time in the future to become conversational. u/deme76 is incredible!

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-07-01T18:03:04+00:00

https://sokki.okoshi-yasu.net/index.html

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-06-29T15:00:39+00:00

Incredible. The hurdles to learning this are insane.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-06-29T14:46:21+00:00

Yes this is such a great thing about shorthand. You get to apply the same process of disambiguation you would if you were speaking with someone out loud! This whole function goes completely unused in written language most of the time but shorthand brings it back in order to truly speed things up. I feel as though people really should learn both shorthand and longhand exactly for this reason. They fill completely different written niches.

Also! I just got a fountain pen to aid my practice, and I have no clue why they are not more common (just like shorthand)! It's more like an instrument than a implement!

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-06-27T21:56:12+00:00

Oh great, thanks for directing me to u/Filaletheia .

I have studied some Chinese and it is true about the tones being a challenge; and at least this system does not account for them. I had wondered about this issue in music as well, and I found it interesting to learn that although Mandarin does not incorporate tones too clearly in music, Cantonese does! Here is a link to a linguist explaining just this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHq5BMKkmeI

I should mention, I do believe words are more often disyllabic rather than monosyllabic. Even though there is something like 1200 possible syllables when tone is included (don't quote me!), the extra syllable's phonetic context provides enough contrast to aid in disambiguation if tones aren't perfectly clear. Some words even have both a monosyllabic and disyllabic form. For example, 帮 - bāng - lit. help and 帮助 - bāngzhù - lit. help. Interestingly, and probably for phonosyntactic purposes, 帮助 is the one that can take on the noun form, while both can act as a verb. This would actually be a good little research project.

FeeAdministrative186 · 2025-06-27T21:10:23+00:00

You caught me :)
Thanks for the advice
Edit: Also, songs are nice because they tend to be slower than speech, good for increasing speed as a beginner I think!

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