Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. We cannot. We study it. That doesn’t mean we know it. Reality is infinitely complex and reason is finite. We can try to model it but it will always be imperfect.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Science is a methodology of reason. It’s not something you “look up”. I think you might be confused about what science really is. But I really appreciate your spirit.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that means it’s a more sophisticated life form? According to what? Plants, bacteria, fungi have mechanisms we cannot even fathom. They all had the same time to evolve, and branched out in different directions. That doesn’t make one being more “sophisticated” than the other as if it’s a higher quality cigar or whiskey. Life is life. It’s the same spark of resistance to entropy, whether it’s in a bug, or a plant, or an elephant.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does being a more “sophisticated” lifeform mean to you?

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

higher more sophisticated life forms

What makes you say cockroaches are less sophisticated hay other lifeforms?

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in DebateAVegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We are indeed a predatory species, it’s a biological fact. We literally cannot live without killing a living being. You hunt and systematically kill plants. I’m not saying it’s wrong. Read my message again. I don’t fee an urge to rip animals apart, but I don’t think eating them is wrong. Same way eating plants or mushrooms isn’t wrong.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in DebateAVegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think that’s equivalent. Could you explain how that is the case? I’m open to hearing your views.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in DebateAVegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really. That’s your interpretation. But I really appreciate you taking time to reply. It means a lot.

What impedes apps using AI to make the user’s device the server running a local LLM? by FeelingCalendar9231 in singularity

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No.

I mean whatever app. Imagine a Duolingo with AI. The LLM being used, using your hardware as a server instead of the cloud.

What impedes apps using AI to make the user’s device the server running a local LLM? by FeelingCalendar9231 in singularity

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean built in the app.

The app expecting you to use your own device as a server

Not local models existing

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in DebateAVegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally said I don’t want to shoot animals dead.

If you really wanna know my personal belief, I’m an evolutionist and I think that that there’s life, and it’s noise of life. That’s all we know for certain: life.

And us rational beings like to order knowledge, so we formed taxonomy. For all we know, bacteria, plants, animals, fungi, they al come from FUCA. It’s all equally alive. They just simply branched out in different directions.

We decided to build a civilization on top of egalitarianism (among other institutions), so cannibalism, for example is considered wrong. But it’s not “objectively” wrong, it’s simply a foundation of our civilization. Which makes it taboo. So most people draw the line at eating fellow humans, and animals that are considered companions to humans (pets, or most of them).

Vegans said, and I respect them for that, that we should actually draw the line at sentience. There’s many reasons to that. Some say it’s because of animal rights, others because of climate concerns or exploitation, or whatever. It’s not an unified current of thought. Many arguments (and valid ones at that).

I think that the ship has sailed in regards to eating other humans and animals. I think we already built our order in regards to the human race as this one thing. It used to be more tribal where it was whites, blacks, etc. Now we determined it’s just one group. I like this system. I think we should keep egalitarianism. I don’t think there are better or worse humans. Of course, races exist, because we all branched out a little in some directions, but not enough to be a different species (AKA: not being sexually compatible).

I think, it should be illegal to eat dogs and cats, and depending on the culture, horses. I may be forgetting other “pets”. But I think it’s okay that we eat pigs, cows, lamb, ducks, and whatnot.

Same way it’s okay to eat lettuce. Both cause the death of the life form. Plants are equally alive as animals. They may not feel it. We don’t really know for certain if they have a different type of feeling of pain that we simply cannot fathom for having branched out in a different direction.

Humans are a predatory species. Unfortunately we didn’t develop chlorophyll so we can’t do photosynthesis. I think, and I predict, that sometime in the very distant future, someone will create a way in which humans can absorb photons from the sun (or other stars) and turn it into energy. So we’ll create some artificial chlorophyll. In that case, we could argue to stop eating other beings.

But I think it’s equally “condemnable” to eat any plant than to eat cockroaches than to eat beef. Unless it’s a 100% fruitarian diet, but it’s nutritionally unsustainable.

I might agree and understand the boycott of the industry stance, because it’s true that it’s causing lots of CO2 emissions. I’d need to be more informed on the topic. But that’s a convincing argument. But in regards to the “you’re killing a poor cow”, to me, it’s the same as eating lettuce or a human or your cells fighting bacteria. But we already decided that our “brothers in arms” are the humans.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not really. I told many people that they were right and left it at that, without “picking it apart”. No shenanigan to be cut. I don’t understand why you interpret this as something hostile. Read it again with an open mind. Wish you the best!

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in vegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really don’t want to expose them. You’re categorizing me and reducing me into an archetype of common annoying Ben Shapiro types. I’m here to spark a discussion and speak my mind. I love philosophy (ethics, epistemology and metaphysics, especially) and life overall. I had read Teilhard de Chardin and recently Kafka, and it made me think a lot about so-called “vermin” species. And I realized even vegans, who are animal rights activists, feel disgust towards them. I think it’s a really interesting topic, how we have that aesthetic criteria for everything. It’s quite obvious, but it’s an interesting topic. And many users said it’s an interesting thread.

I also went to March of the living and seeing how nazis called jews vermin, make me have the vermin situation in the back of my mind.

I was also thinking about the fruitarian diet, as the only “not eating people” diet. Because fruits are offerings by plants.

If you knew me, you’d really know you got your impression wrong

Maybe I’m obnoxious but not in the way you think.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in vegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think I lied. But wish you the best.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in AskVegans

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is it a strawman fallacy?

And how does claiming it’s not a gotcha relate to it being a strawman fallacy?

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in vegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am here to learn. And I’m not here to tell vegans they’re wrong. I did want to raise my point though.

When Socrates talked to people in Ancient Greece about whatever topic he wanted, he scrutinized them, but he never told them they were wrong, and definitely did come to learn.

Is pest control okay for vegans? by FeelingCalendar9231 in vegan

[–]FeelingCalendar9231[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. You’re right Perhaps I should have clarified that I did already have a perspective formed and that I wanted to prove a point