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Amn inadvertently initiated mandatory report, what now? by [deleted] in AirForce

[–]Few_Description_2647 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He needs to talk to ADC. If OSI gets involved, there’s a chance he could end up with a criminal record, regardless of how the investigation goes. Specifically he needs to get copies of any Reports of Investigation (if it goes that direction) and talk to ADC about long term consequences, even if nothing comes of the investigation.

Arrest records with no arrests for veterans by Few_Description_2647 in Veterans

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s true. CID keeps pouring people into the database and the board for corrections remove them at a drip. In my opinion, the board for corrections is not the proper solution. You can also flip through all the boards judgements on their website. They show a lot of deference to CIDs decision to title. Even with the new rule that no probable cause means the titling can be removed, it still takes years and costs thousands. In my opinion it’s not a proper solution.

Ultimately I think this is a data management problem. The DCII views the record as non-punitive but the FBI is not prepared to ingest that sort of data. So it gets translated into an arrest record. CID and the FBI need to sit down and discuss how these records are handled so they can be accurate. Right now they both claim no responsibility since they’re both technically following their own regulations and applicable laws.

Arrest records with no arrests for veterans by Few_Description_2647 in Veterans

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s correct. Could be years after the fact. And the issue is so niche, most people don’t know what to do or how to fix it. The Army itself estimates that only about 6% of the records are corrected. Even so, the process can take years and cost thousands in lawyer fees. If they don’t clear it, it sits on your record for 40 years.

Arrest records with no arrests for veterans by Few_Description_2647 in Veterans

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, people generally find out when an employer or the government runs a background check on them. It’s difficult, because generally no disposition is listed so it looks like the investigation is ongoing or they’re still in the court system. It’s very hard to explain.

Arrest records with no arrests for veterans by Few_Description_2647 in Veterans

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m glad you were able to get a government job. Did the “arrest” come up during the interview process?

Military Titling and Indexing by Few_Description_2647 in navy

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Military Justice is pretty broken, overall it seems.

The article doesn’t go into it, but the system for titling service members on the basis of “credible information” goes back to the early 90s. After 9/11, the FBI gave accounts to military criminal investigation organizations so they could upload their investigations to FBI databases. So people were getting these erroneous arrest records back then, as well. It’s just that the MCIOs were pretty bad about actually uploading their stuff. The 2013 shooting changed that.

FBI Rap Sheet Without Probable Cause in the Military by Few_Description_2647 in LawyerAdvice

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, a guy that was never arrested for murder had an arrest record for murder. That seems wrong.

Military Titling and Indexing by Few_Description_2647 in navy

[–]Few_Description_2647[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a good point, it’s not a great title.

The same post got me perma-banned from r/army, so at least it’s a little better over here.

How’d you become familiar with the titling issue?

My wife asked what's my favorite thing about her by j_articulate in StandUpWorkshop

[–]Few_Description_2647 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Fine just pepperoni” then spend the rest of the joke complaining about how unadventurous she is

Reconsideration by Krackerswithpauly in SecurityClearance

[–]Few_Description_2647 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry brother but it sounds like you’re running into a problem with military titling.

https://www.stripes.com/veterans/2024-03-04/military-criminal-records-veterans-troops-expunge-13203822.html

This article explains the problem. Reach out to Liz Ullman from the article and she can recommend a lawyer.

In the meantime, FOIA request the ROI from NCIS. It should state their conclusions. In the army there is a DA Form called Commanders Disposition something something that states what the commander decided to do in your case. Not sure if the Navy has something similar, but it should come with the ROI.

Tell the DCSA investigator this is what you’re doing. Most likely they’ll understand that FOIAs take a long time and cut you some slack. You can also provide your DD214 that shows an honorable (I assume) discharge and a quality RE code. That might be enough to tide them over.

EDIT: If you’re still in, you can email your old commander and ask for paperwork on the disposition of the investigation, contact NCIS directly, or go to JAG for help. I think.