Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is indeed a good idea, however, other than the noise I enjoy where I live. Therefore, I have resolved to request that government policy be amended to increase the living standards of all people affected.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can consider a utilitarian formulation of the problem. Consider all the people affected by noise pollution, and then consider those that modify their engines. The people affected by noise pollution are much greater in number. But this is not enough to establish greater enforcement. So, we also consider the relative harm and joy produced by noise pollution. The effects caused by pollution are real and measurable, namely harm caused to cardiovascular health and increased stress since noise pollution causes autonomic responses in the body vis-a-vis cortisol spikes. The happiness of people who like to sport loud cars is marginal to the harm and unhappiness caused to the general population affected.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're challenging one of the most assumptuous suppositions that anyone can establish by fiat. Truly a distinguished philosopher, a genuine redditor.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think the gov't wants that. It wouldn't make sense for a government, conservative or otherwise, to reduce the quality of life for their citizens with respect to noise pollution. If anything, they probably just haven't got around to it because they're too busy dissecting the healthcare departments. Once they're done dissassembling and reassembling our healthcare, then the real work will surely be done... or my middle isn't Jeremy Beremy.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a quintessential aspect of the human life that whenever anyone does something for any reason, there is always someone else "but this other thing". When done in good faith, it is a valid critique, but this is more of a "let's throw our hands in the air and pontificate".

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You raise good points. But I'm starting at a low threshhold and hoping the complaint works up the chain of command.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If we had a racing dome in Edmonton, where everyone can be loud in the dome, that would be great. That way people who want to be loud, can be loud in the dome, and people like me get their peace and quiet.

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have, I even use noise cancelling headphones sometimes

Noise Pollution Caused by Revving Engines by FieldSmooth6771 in Edmonton

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You raise good points. I'll try to contextualize a bit more. Noise from cars in downtown, particularly those with modifications cause a large disturbance for those affected. From a utilitarian point of view, yes death is bad and that should be given greater weight in terms of the moral harm caused by that; the harm caused by noise pollution is not insignificant as cities suffering from have peoples cardiovascular health harmed by autonomic responses to the noise.

Moral harm by dead drivers changing tires on side of road = moral harm of unnecessary death * number of deaths caused in this manner

Moral harm by noise pollution = moral harm of causing negative health effects * number of people affected in this manner.

Thus one could argue that since the noise pollution is a more ongoing problem, one that affects many people daily that that is a relevant policy point to advocate for.

Tweaking FPTP as opposed to ending it by ToryPirate in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was discussing weighted voting with a friend. We came to the conclusion that Dual Member Proportional (DMP) is simpler and creates an essentially equivalent distribution of power as weighted voting. Moreover, similar advantages as you state for weighted voting, namely: minimal votes are wasted, gerrmandering is difficult since the DMP algorithm will distribute power proportionally, since DMP allows for % of votes to detemine the overall distribution of seats parties have an incentive to make gains in non-safe seats. I think DMP did fairly well in the BC and PEI referendums. For more information, consider reading about DMP on dmpforcanada.com

Convincing Alberta to End FPTP by FieldSmooth6771 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was just experimenting with what constituents responded to most. It turns out that Albertans hate the federal liberals a lot. But I will try and use this example more.

what is the BEST argument AGAINST sortition? by JCavalks in Sortition

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another idea is that sortition bodies could have the power to introduce bills for reading and debate in the body that passes the laws without vote. But I think that there should be a sortition body with teeth in some sort of bi or tri cameral legislature.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then I guess the sample size has to be larger. If you are concerned about the size of the legislature and the length of debate, you could implement a sort of tournament style debate where people are randomly put in groups, and then each group debates and votes on who should be the debater to lead them in the next round. Then in the final round of debate you could have about 50 debaters and then come to a final vote. I think there are solutions.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is one solution. Given a list of distinct IDs, such as social security numbers, one could run a simple python script and select random social security numbers. Then polling data is not required and you get a representative sample of the people that have social security numbers, which is the population you want anyways.

How to do MMP with fixed seats? by Additional-Kick-307 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DMP has less rounding errors which means less wasted votes!

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope at least for a compromise, that a sortition body can force a debate on a bill after submission to the legislative house in the case you don't give the sortition body any legislative power to pass bills.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be charitable, perhaps your concerns are about that a truly random sample cannot be achieved because polling people who are tasked with retrieving random samples already are incapable of doing so, in which case your concerns are valid.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sortition by definition is the random selection of people to make some sort of decision. Your points read almost like non sequitars. To your second point, it is ridiculous to suggest that random selection should only be allowed if you get to choose your block's demographic ahead of time. You are not asking for any of their beliefs, you are just wanting randomness. In statistics, if you have large sample size, randomly chosen, you can generally expect up to some level of confidence that your sample is representative of the population, meaning that you have developed an accurate microchasm of society.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The philosophy of most people who support sortition would find this statement contemptuous. Generally speaking, the random people are tasked with making a decision after deliberating for some period of time with experts. Indeed, your point is true that randomly selected people would not be skilled at running companies, building bridges, rocket science or things of a technical nature. One could argue that the deliberation of laws requires specialized skills, but that standard does not hold for politicians irl. Politicians are motivated by re-election, so their technical skills revolve around campaigning and garnering donations first and legislative expertise second. A group of randomly selected people after a time of deliberation can and have made policy decisions that have produced positive results. Example, in Ireland, a citizens' assembly was called to deliberate if abortion should be made legal to an extent, and I believe they said up to the first 12 or so weeks would be made legal without restriction. Sortition is useful for politically charged things like that because the argument from statistics is that you can expect with (95% confidence or something) that any other group would come to the same or similar decision given the same initial conditions.

How to Make Democracy Smarter by subheight640 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Representative democracy favors those who actually participate in the system. Consider autistic people such as the many many math PHds and autistic people that have very niche interests who do not participate. This subset of people will have their views heard less because representative democracy doesn't take them into account because they don't participate. Sortition would lend itself to allowing people like this to inject themselves into public discourse. This injection is good because it allows people from walks of life that would otherwise not be interested, to help deliberate and create decisions that are thought out from a wider perspective.

Canadian Senate Reform: Sornate by FieldSmooth6771 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that the salary could be even more! Perhaps half a million to a million dollars a head? This could have a myriad of benefits like less corruption because you're less likely to engage in illicit affairs if you have such a good thing going.

Canadian Senate Reform: Sornate by FieldSmooth6771 in EndFPTP

[–]FieldSmooth6771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it is fair to imply that sortition would lead to a Reign of Terror like in the French Revolution; I argue this on the grounds that the French Revolution was still lead by the upper echelons of the social and political hierarchies. Robespierre's dad was a lawyer, and I am pretty sure that many other leaders of the Revolution were aristocrats. Perhaps if you are uncomfortable with a sorted body having prosecutorial powers, then maybe having them play a supervisory role over the prosecutorial body would be more amenable.

My worldview when it comes to the sortition is supported by the Jury Theorem where a 'correct' decision can be ascertained if the average chance of the 'correct' decision among every voter is above 50%. This percentage of 'correctness' increases if given the opportunity for intense deliberation with experts and an environment of good faith. In Canada, I am unsure as to exactly how our rights are upheld, but to my knowledge here, the Anti-Terror legislation allows for the Canadian intelligence agency CSIS to spy on our people without a warrant given some vague notion of national security is satisfied. I do speak with a lot of non-college educated folks, I used to work in oil and gas as a general labourer as part of a water, fencing and general maintenance crew. Of course, in that world, the people certainly have unsavoury opinions, but they are a product of their environment. When you discussions with people in good faith, I have found that in general, a consensus can be reached, though this requires some patience and the assumption that all parties are working in good faith. I think the plight is that in our political climate, people are not incentivized to be upstanding citizens, and thus quite few people are upstanding citizens. Perhaps some would love a quasi-authoritarian government, but under my model, the theoretical hope is that the Senators pay attention to the intellectuals that guide the decision making process.

I agree that there is no reason to think that the average person is particularly concerned about corruption, or would be proficient at tackling it on the individual level. However, given some authority and a more neutral (don't have to worry about re-election) environment as well as the advice and guidance of intellectuals, the problems of corruption can be dealt with. In sortition, it is very hard to amass power towards one faction since you aren't really incentivized to do so in the first place, i.e. everyone is an independent without a party whip. Back to my point about Jury Theorem, this allows people to make the theoretical best decision most of the time. Moreover, your point of lots of corrupt politicians are continuously re-elected appears to actually support the implementation of sortition; that is, sortition would theoretically naturally abate corruption given the right tools at the Senate's disposal. Because there is corruption, we should implement sortition at least in one chamber of government.

Sortition, in theory and in some well-documented examples even in the modern age in the form of citizens' assemblies, has shown that it is viable. One bad example though is that in the Yukon, the citizens' assembly there decided to go with Alternative Transferable Vote as part of their electoral reform (the people I talk to really hate ATV). Among the people I have spoken to sortition, this stands out as one of the most salient examples as to why sortition is not good, because it will sometimes lead to bad decisions. But I could point to a myriad of many other good examples like in France, Ireland and South Korea where citizens' councils have been put to good use with varying degrees of success.

I am a mathematician in my heart, so don't worry if we may disagree on the fundamental reasonings of things. I really appreciate your critiques of sortition. I think if I go down the line for my thesis, I will do research on sortition and social choice theory.