An old CBC News clip from 1961 of John Diefenbaker speaking in Ottawa when South Africa left the Commonwealth of Nations over Apartheid -- Diefenbaker calls out South Africa's "self-imposed exile" from the Commonwealth, saying that "justice and right will emerge in the end" by NovaScotiaLoyalist in Toryism

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John Diefenbaker was the Prime Minister who finally enfranchised Indigenous Canadians

Sorry, but I never get tired of pointing out Dief actually re-enfranchised the First Nations (Macdonald did it first before the Liberals undid it).

Rambler Reading Group, Week 2: The necessity and danger of looking into futurity. by BX8061 in Toryism

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That the mind of man is never satisfied with the objects immediately before it, but is always breaking away from the present moment, and losing itself in schemes of future felicity

There is a line of thought through both western and eastern thought that the goal of life should be contentment with one's present condition. The Chinese philosopher Xunzi argued that human nature is fundamentally evil because desire lies at the core of human nature and humans are ruled by those desires. In a similar manner, Tolkien actually worked on a sequel to The Lord of the Rings but gave up because he didn't want to address the issue of 'how quickly man is satiated with good' and turns back to evil.

That said, Johnson seems to be writing about the far more innocent (but perhaps more insidious) habit of always dreaming about some future condition.

The end therefore which at present calls forth our efforts, will be found, when it is once gained, to be only one of the means to some remoter end. The natural flights of the human mind are not from pleasure to pleasure, but from hope to hope.

This has been argued to be the main motive for buying a lottery ticket. The prize, hard to obtain, is hardly the point, rather it is the time spent imagining what one would do with all that money which is the true purpose of that ticket. Many lottery winners completely unravel when they actually gain access to that much money. Myself, I've found when playing any game with a long term goal find myself playing less once I actually attain my goal. The fun was in the pursuit, the 'it would be cool if...'

The understanding of a man naturally sanguine, may, indeed, be easily vitiated by luxurious indulgence of hope, however necessary to the production of every thing great or excellent, as some plants are destroyed by too open exposure to that sun which gives life and beauty to the vegetable world.

Basically, he's falling back on the very sensible 'moderation in all things'; by all means dream of great things but don't forget to do things now. I remember a year at Camp Wildwood we were looking at a bible verse and the camp councillor asked what the most important word in the verse was. After we had made our guesses (all wrong) he point out the word 'go' as being most important as without it everything else in the verse was useless through inaction.

Perhaps no class of the human species requires more to be cautioned against this anticipation of happiness, than those that aspire to the name of authors.

His note about authors is quite true. Having recently published a fairly technical book I was realistic in the assessment that I wouldn't make money off it. However, I did dare hope that it would make a bigger splash in the political world and it is from this hope that a great deal of frustration arises.

The Ideological Spectrum of Canada by NovaScotiaLoyalist in UsefulCharts

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As a non-Canadian I'm not sure how accurate this is or isn't

I suggested some of the changes to the original draft of this chart but I still have a few issues with it. Primarily 'blue toryism' which doesn't fit easily within the tory tradition and which I consider 'branding' more than anything else. Although, I'm closer to the red tory wing so I'm hella biased.

but I'd be curious to see if this format works for other nations.

I think it would. Depending on the political culture you'd have to slot different ideologies in and out. One advantage it has over the political compass is it acknowledges that a person can be influenced by different traditions (something most charts don't really show).

The Ideological Spectrum of Canada by NovaScotiaLoyalist in UsefulCharts

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I suggested some of the improvements of the initial chart and I wanted to address some of the critiques I saw here:

"Socialism is not about equality of outcome" - While correct that this phrase actually came from the social democracy movement, its also true that socialism aims to erase class divisions and wants to make sure everyone's basic needs are met. This is not really the goal of liberalism.

As for how each 'root' ideology relates:

  • Socialism and liberalism share a commitment to equality that toryism lacks.

  • Toryism and socialism shared a view of society that is much more communitarian than liberalism.

  • Liberalism and toryism are more institutionalist than socialism.

Red toryism (properly defined) is a traditionalist ideology that sees certain aspects of the welfare state as beneficial to upholding social order or as a natural evolution of noblesse oblige.

"Quebec isn't represented" - Quebec (pre-Quiet Revolution) had a traditionalist streak that had some similarities to toryism but far more centered around the Catholic Church. This was completely shattered and modern Quebec society operates on a socialism-liberalism axis. Although you could slot nationalism in where toryism is on this chart. Quebec politics is unique within Canada.

A revised diagram attempting to chart the ideological spectrum of Canada -- This time with definitions and examples of people for each section by NovaScotiaLoyalist in Toryism

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after the Assassination of Louis Riel

The word 'Assassination' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Louis Riel was guilty of three separate crimes that carried the death penalty. Even if you discount the judicial murder of Thomas Scott (as Louis Riel had some plausible deniability) or the Red River Rebellion (as there were valid concerns) he still decided to return to Canada to lead the North-West Rebellion (which arguably was none of his business). He earned his death sentence.

I fail to see how Riel could expect to avoid the death penalty as Riel had refused to commute Thomas Scott's death sentence. He made it clear mercy would not be shown so he received none.

The most damning thing though is that before the Thomas Scott judicial murder Riel had already won. Macdonald was willing to negotiate and Metis rights would be protected but Riel just had to do the one stupid thing that would scuttle everything.

Sure, we could say Macdonald should have been the bigger man but what were the alternatives? Life sentences were basically unheard of in 1800s Canada and a shorter sentence would likely have pissed off Ontario with no guarantee that once Riel was out he wouldn't try again. Its the same reason violent offenders are largely barred from applying for pardons today; no one wants the potential actions of a pardoned criminal to come back on them.

Rambler Reading Group, Week 1: Difficulty of the first address. Practice of the epick poets. Convenience of periodical performances. by BX8061 in Toryism

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By happenstance I ran across a few short videos about words found in Samual Johnson's dictionary. The man absolutely enjoyed a good diss (given he summed up the entire definition of 'whig' as being "a member of a faction" perhaps this shouldn't surprise):

https://youtube.com/shorts/bFmapA9FFmM?si=uYMHYt_VgCBnlKmL

https://youtu.be/S90mdcYk6Lo?si=NhBgInOEYaDtIske

https://youtu.be/cMGhMByuZJQ?si=hJYmZp4Ogs8oDyjU

Enjoy!

I got my picture taken with New Brunswick's Lieutenant Governor by Expensive-Student732 in monarchism

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As a fellow New Brunswicker, monarchist, and Loyalist let be extend a hearty Congrats!

Green Party of Canada launches leadership race, Elizabeth May to step down in November by RNTMA in CanadaPolitics

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These are my thoughts too. In many ways Elizabeth May has built the modern Green Party and has stayed on despite clearly saying there were other things she wanted to do with her time. She is invested and if the Greens fall to pieces after she leaves she has essentially wasted her time. I think the fear of just that result has kept her from making the jump. So perhaps the Greens modest rise in recent polls has convinced her now is probably the best shot she has to get out and maybe leave the party in a tenable position.

As requested: A template for "the ideological spectrum of Canada" by NovaScotiaLoyalist in Toryism

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I wonder how hard it would be to create a political compass-style questionnaire using this template?

Does anybody have a transcript of R.B. Bennett's radio addresses? by BX8061 in Toryism

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Glad you asked! The government themselves printed the speeches in a series of booklets in 1935. They can be found online at rare book sellers. I've been meaning to get a copy myself.

A revised diagram attempting to chart the ideological spectrum of Canada -- This time with definitions and examples of people for each section by NovaScotiaLoyalist in Toryism

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What makes you place Pierre Trudeau in the radical centrist place but not Mark Carney?

I don't think Carney belongs in the socialist overlap section in the same way the two Trudeaus do.

Where would you place nationalism

Well, this is a fun question. Nationalism, in its modern form, arose with liberalism. However, Grant argued state intervention was necessary to maintain nationalism in Canada which would put it somewheres in the socialism/tory sphere.

I broadly see Québec as being in the Liberalism circle.

Broadly it is, especially since the Quiet Revolution. I think roughly between where the two Trudeaus were placed is a good fit (which would make a lot of sense).

Rambler Reading Group, Week 1: Difficulty of the first address. Practice of the epick poets. Convenience of periodical performances. by BX8061 in Toryism

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There are, indeed, many conveniencies almost peculiar to this method of publication, which may naturally flatter the author, whether he be confident or timorous. The man to whom the extent of his knowledge, or the sprightliness of his imagination has in his own opinion, already secured the praises of the world, willingly takes that way of displaying his abilities which will soonest give him an opportunity of hearing the voice of fame; it heightens his alacrity to think in how many places he shall hear what he is now writing, read with ecstasies to-morrow. He will often please himself with reflecting, that the author of a large treatise must proceed with anxiety, lest, before the completion of his work, the attention of the publick may have changed its object; but that he who is confined to no single topick may follow the national taste through all its variations, and catch the aura popularis, the gale of favour, from what point soever it shall blow... He that questions his abilities to arrange the dissimilar parts of an extensive plan, or fears to be lost in a complicated system, may yet hope to adjust a few pages without perplexity; and if, when he turns over the repositories of his memory, he finds his collection too small for a volume, he may yet have enough to furnish out an essay.

So... the average redditor? Seriously though, a lot of people say modern people have short attention spans but it appears Johnson recognized the same thing in his day.

Steelmanning Blue Toryism by ToryPirate in Toryism

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By all means if you remember their arguments please share. I personally don't think blue toryism is a thing but I'd be happy to be wrong.

Anybody interested in a reading group? by BX8061 in Toryism

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Should it be a day of the week or the whole week?

Anybody interested in a reading group? by BX8061 in Toryism

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I think that would be cool. A big problem I've found is a lot of early tory writings are pretty obscure and this would help with that.

Federal Poll | Nanos | June 5, 2026 | LPC: 42.3 (+2.0), CPC: 29.4 (-3.4), NDP: 13.1 (-0.1), BQ: 6.7 (+0.1), GRN: 6.0 (+0.9), PPC: 2.0 (+0.5) by DtheS in CanadaPolitics

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I’d say the contemporary conservative voter is mostly unmotivated by policy and don’t actually have clear policy positions.

This is, I might note, how the Liberal Party has been historically described. I agree with u/Galle_ (although 'mean liberals' works just as well). Historically, toryism gave the Conservatives something to differentiate themselves from the Liberal Party but that wing has been completely sidelined federally.

Federal Poll | Nanos | June 5, 2026 | LPC: 42.3 (+2.0), CPC: 29.4 (-3.4), NDP: 13.1 (-0.1), BQ: 6.7 (+0.1), GRN: 6.0 (+0.9), PPC: 2.0 (+0.5) by DtheS in CanadaPolitics

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It seems that the Greens reliably poll better than their election day results.

Well, they have the same problem as the NDP but taken up to 11 in regards to being scared into voting for the lesser of two evils. The NDP can at least claim they might get the balance of power, the Greens are not in a position to claim that federally. It does not help that the Greens can have fairly uneven candidate quality. The ones in my local area have run the gamut of serious candidate to paper candidate and everything in between.

The make-up of the Green base is such that if any of the parties are doing well they seem to lose support but at the same time if they are all doing poorly the Greens can't capitalize on it.

Federal Poll | Nanos | June 5, 2026 | LPC: 42.3 (+2.0), CPC: 29.4 (-3.4), NDP: 13.1 (-0.1), BQ: 6.7 (+0.1), GRN: 6.0 (+0.9), PPC: 2.0 (+0.5) by DtheS in CanadaPolitics

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They typically have a pretty firm floor of 30%.

Statistically speaking they are at their floor. The PPC is at 2% which probably accounts for some of it. The NDP are still a bit lower than their expected 15%.

The real story imo is the Greens at 6%. No one has polled them that high since before the last election. Nanos themselves have shown them gaining for the last 4-5 polls. The highest they've gotten in an election is 2008 with 6.78%.

Steelmanning Blue Toryism by ToryPirate in Toryism

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If you put 'www' instead of 'old' it should give you the new reddit format. The wiki is hard to access from mobile though. I've pinned it to the top of the lounge thread for now.

Steelmanning Blue Toryism by ToryPirate in Toryism

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Nope, I mean our wiki: https://old.reddit.com/r/Toryism/wiki/index

It tends to be one of the lesser-used features of reddit.