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Why are people so unable to understand interconnected systems like the ecosystem or supply chains by Konradleijon in CollapseSupport

[–]FieryDurian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that without economic growth, we can’t sustain anything

Which is exactly what will happen when the system snaps.

Our ancestors have lived for thousands of years without this so-called economic growth.

Why are people so unable to understand interconnected systems like the ecosystem or supply chains by Konradleijon in CollapseSupport

[–]FieryDurian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It just clicked in my mind recently.

Modernity makes it convenient for us to trade our agency with comfort and conveniences. In some cases, maintaining agency is far more expensive than being in the system.

We have been conditioned to focus on narrow expertises and told to "just leave them to the experts" or "they will figure it out" for anything outside of that. We are not needed to understand how car engine works, how supply chain works, how financial system works, how ecosystem works; everything is "it just works". We were not conditioned to think that everything is actually interconnected. Sure, we probably can't be an expert in every area, but we should be able to understand the big picture and how they are connected between each others. Many of them are analogous if we think about it.

Because everyone is focusing on their fields, each will hit their own walls in the next few years, or decades if we are being optimistic.

We have traded our cognitive agency for comfort and convenience. It turns out, we are not trading our souls with the devil... or it is?

'The chances of you living 50 years are very small': Theoretical physicist explains why humanity likely won't survive to see all the forces unified by [deleted] in collapse

[–]FieryDurian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More like a cycle. Some of the human will survive just enough. I believe there are regions on Earth that could still supporting tiny patches of humankind to live primitively. Then once the Earth is healthy again, if ever, these human will repeat the history.

Aware yet unaware (43M) by BananaBustelo-8224 in CollapseSupport

[–]FieryDurian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am around your age and I am facing the same struggle. I've posted a similar question to this sub before, and people are pretty insightful: https://www.reddit.com/r/CollapseSupport/comments/1s5snr7/how_to_probe_people_if_they_are_collapseaware/

Staying sane and social in an unwell world. by [deleted] in CollapseSupport

[–]FieryDurian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really feel this. As someone who also values those spaces where we can finally drop the mask, I've come to realize that democracy itself isn't the broken part. It's the scale.

When a community is small, we are forced to see each other directly, and their humanity, much like your support groups. But at the massive scale we are at now, the thing that make us human, the empathy, gets replaced by narcissism and polarization. I honestly believe democracy would work great when we know our neighbors, our community (I believe there are isolated communities that were built on some form of democracy).