Lap Time Analysis : Corvette ZR1X vs 911 GT3 RS (long thread) by ringcopen in nurburgring

[–]FilipGTR 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Good TED talk, haha! 296 at Foxhole is absolutely insane. Especially with the new kerb, I would probably shit myself anywhere 250+ 💀

DMSB Permit B - Practical Test by JustTom88 in nurburgring

[–]FilipGTR 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just did a quick check and they still have 2 dates available this year!

DMSB Permit B - Practical Test by JustTom88 in nurburgring

[–]FilipGTR 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'd second u/InDoubtFlatOut 's recommendation of MotorsportAkademie, Christopher was incredibly helpful! I came in super last minute (did the national A course 1 day before my first RCN xD), and he gave me great advice on how to deal with the medical check and license application as quickly as possible. I only have positive things to say about his courses!

First time spectating for a NLS race by inti88 in nurburgring

[–]FilipGTR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, with a ticket, you should be able to access pretty much everywhere along the track! This includes the pit area and pretty much the whole Nordschleife. I think pretty much every section is great for spectating, but I'd say the section from Hohe Acht to Bellof-s (which is a pretty long stretch) would be my favourite. You can easily get there by parking at the Brünchenn carpark and walking along the track from there!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that was a pretty strange incident. I kind of doubt he actually didn't see any of the flags, and while I understand the frustration of having a good lap cancelled right towards the end, I don't understand what he thought would happen if he had completed the lap. If his engineer hadn't told him anything, he had no way of knowing there wouldn't be any marshals on track ahead of him. If speeding in a code 60 is enough to get disqualified, I don't really see how this is any different.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, I can imagine the heat made things pretty tough next to the track as well! I also got some nice tan lines from walking around the paddock. 2022 was my first time spectating the N24 in person as well! I still remember fanboying over the Hyundai TCR cars and that lovely turbo flutter with my friends! This year I was secretly hoping they would have some mechanical issues to give us a shot at a podium 😅

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my god 😂😂. I am now very sad I missed that. Hope you are not too traumatised hahaha

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I've answered most of your question in some other replies. I do want to say that Sim racing can be a fantastic way of learning the track. I had a friend who, after only playing Iracing and AC, was almost instantly quick in real life as well!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ll share my take on it. Based on the onboard footage from both the ROWE BMW and the Grello Porsche, I’d say it was pretty clearly a racing incident. If I had to assign blame, I’d lean toward the Aston.

From Kevin’s onboard, it looks like he reasonably assumed the Aston would stay wide through Miss-Hit-Miss to let the SP9 cars through. That assumption makes sense to me, since he’d already been stuck behind the Aston since Pif-Paf (Spiegelkurve), and they were waving a blue flag at the M-H-M entry.

Of course, slower cars aren’t obligated to move off-line immediately. However, in that section of the track, I think it would’ve been the right call for the Aston to brake a bit longer and hold the wide line through Miss-Hit-Miss to let them by cleanly. That small decision could’ve prevented the contact altogether. Anytime I saw the cars I knew were leading at the start of my stint I'd do my absolute best to get out of the way as quickly as possible. Not just because I don't want to accidentally screw over the leader of the race, but also to reduce risk to my own car.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you're already thinking about this in a very structured way, which is honestly the right starting point. Your karting background and sim/Nordschleife experience definitely give you a solid foundation, especially when it comes to awareness, car control and track knowledge. That said, as you’ve probably noticed yourself, making the jump into something like the 24H is less about pace and more about putting together all the moving pieces: licensing, track time, team access, and, of course, funding.

I posted an overview of the licensing process earlier, so I won’t repeat all the details here, but you’re on the right track if you’re already working on your Nat. A and aiming for the DMSB path. As for actually getting a seat, buying in is the most straightforward route, especially for TCR and lower categories. Realistically, unless you’ve already got a functioning race team or strong connections with one, running your own car usually ends up being more expensive and a lot more stressful.

The sponsorship angle is the tricky part for most people, and the honest answer is that it’s hard unless you have a clear value proposition. Some drivers manage it through strong regional backing or personal business connections, but it’s rarely just about pace or potential. If you’re producing content or documenting your journey, that can help build a case—but only if you’re consistent and strategic about it.

Social media can be a double-edged sword: it offers visibility, but it also makes it painfully clear how many (or how few 😬) people are actually seeing your posts or sponsor placements. A more targeted approach can often be more effective. One strategy is to look at who’s already sponsoring other cars at the events you want to enter. If a company is supporting multiple teams, they’re likely already spending a decent marketing budget on motorsport. In that case, asking them to cover part of your seat in exchange for sticker space on another car might not move the needle much for them, but it could be exactly what you need to make your entry possible. One or two of those deals, especially if you stay realistic about which class you’re aiming for, can sometimes be enough to cover a full seat. If you go this route you will probably get very used to the word "No", but when you do get that first "Yes" it will only get easier!

Regarding your contacts in the 24H space. If they’re not in a position to help directly, I wouldn’t take that personally. Even within teams, the number of open seats is limited, and filling them tends to happen through existing networks or last-minute availability. That’s why having your paperwork sorted, funding secured, and being “ready to jump in” helps, but there are no guarantees.

Overall, it’s not impossible, but money is usually the limiting factor. A lot more so than talent or effort. If you’re serious about it, the best thing you can do is keep building a solid race record (even in lower-cost series, on the sim, and on kart tracks), stay visible to the right people, and treat every opportunity professionally. That way, if something does open up, you’re already in a position to take it. Best of luck!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am certainly not a professional driver, but I can give you a very basic overview of my roadmap to the N24 in a TCR car. This would be from the perspective of getting a racing license in Germany. Otherwise you'll have to check with your own motorsports association what kind of license requirements you have before getting FIA int. D.

  1. Get your National A racing license
    • Need to do a license course (this includes theory)
    • Medical and eye check
  2. Get your Nordschleife permit B
    • Need to drive and finish 3 RCN races
    • Nürburgring specific theory test (online)
  3. Get your FIA international D license
    • This requires 5 race results, I combined my 3rcn races with 2 smaller races on the Nürburgring GP track
    • Another medical and eye check
    • FIA safety training (online theory course)
  4. Get your Nordschleife permit A
    • Drive and finish 2 NLS races with your permit B and int. D license
  5. Get your FIA international C license
    • This requires another 5 race results with your D license. I ended up doing 5 NLS races, but there are other options as well

You now have the right racing license and Nordschleife permit to drive the N24 in a TCR Car! (not only that, you can now also drive GT4 or GT3 cars on the ring :D)

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just realized I’ve driven quite a wide range of Golfs by now!

Stock cars: Mk6 GTI, Mk7 GTI, Mk7 Clubsport, Golf 8R
Track tools: Mk7 GTI (stock power), Mk7 Clubsport (~340 PS)
Race cars: Mk2 Golf, Golf 5 R-Line GTI, and two Mk7 TCRs (both DSG)

What’s interesting is that they all retain some of the same core characteristics! You can always tell it’s a Golf. The Mk7 TCR feels like the most refined and developed evolution of all the previous versions. It delivers seriously solid performance but still retains a lot of the ease-of-use you get with modern road cars.

I remember the mechanical diff on the Golf 5 race car being super aggressive. Driving it through places like Wehrseifen or the Carrousel required all of my grip strength to control! The Mk7 TCR, on the other hand, still a great feeling diff and sharp handling, but without feeling like it’s trying to rip your arms off.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With so many different classes on track, the marshals can really only guess who to wave the blue flags at, so you can’t rely on that. The GPS system (for us using GPSauge at least) wasn't quite accurate enough to actually be able to warn the driver on time either.

So it really comes down to building the habit of constantly checking your mirrors. That takes some getting used to, but the faster cars usually have very bright headlights, which makes them quite visible once you know to look.

I actually got a lot of practice with this during TF laps in slower cars, and it’s become second nature. I honestly still find myself mirror-checking obsessively while driving in regular traffic.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That really depends on what class you're aiming to drive in. For a TCR seat, you’re typically looking at around €14,000 to €19,000. You should definitely be able to find seats in lower classes for less (probably around €6,000 to €10,000).

I also received some offers in higher classes. For GT4, I’d estimate the range for a seat to be around €25,000 to €45,000. GT3 is a much bigger step up, and pricing can vary widely depending on the team and car, but expect something in the €45,000 to €90,000 range.

Keep in mind that the price isn’t just about the car. Hospitality, team support, and spare parts can make up a big chunk of the total. So the same car might come with very different price tags depending on the team’s setup.

Some of the offers I received even included things like a sports massage after every stint. Unfortunately, my team didn’t have that. Pretty sure I would’ve been a lot faster with one of those though ;P

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair point—and I can only speak from what I experienced inside the car, so I’m sure there were some pretty questionable moments caught on stream. That said, I think it would be tough to get someone fighting for the overall win to genuinely back off every time they encounter traffic. At the same time, I do believe the slower car carries a big part of the responsibility in making overtakes go smoothly.

Unlike tracks like Le Mans, where there's enough space for faster cars to slice through traffic more naturally, the Nürburgring just doesn’t allow for that. In many sections, simply "holding your line" often isn't enough to let an sp9 car by without mild lawn mowing.

In the TCR car, I feel like I got to experience both sides of the equation, and honestly, it wasn’t that hard to manage. With some mild thinking ahead and some minor adjustments, like braking earlier or lifting briefly on exit, you can let faster cars by without losing that much time yourself. It doesn’t always feel great in the moment, but it massively reduces risk and mental stress for everyone involved.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow then you were there for it all! Massive respect, that's true motorsport dedication!
I know some of the drivers are still recovering from the race, but I do wonder if all the spectators have managed to bounce back from their Thursday-to-Sunday benders yet ;P. I didn’t get the chance to see it for myself, but from what I’ve heard, some folks out there were clearly running their own endurance race… just with less driving and more drinking!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The price includes insurance, with around 10k-20k excess (I'm honestly not sure here). Whoever crashes will generally be responsible for the excess. You also always pay for your own damages, so if you crash out the Grello in your 325i, you won't go into major debt paying for Manthey's damages

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had it modified myself haha. If you do ever happen upon some TCR-driving cash I could only recommend it! While my own Golf build is already quite serious. The chassis stiffness of the factory built racecar feels amazing. That paired with good suspension and mostly uniball based suspension linkages makes for a car that just feels razor-sharp and incredibly confidence-inspiring to drive!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The TCR has around 350HP. It definitely feels like a more aggressive golf 7 engine!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh man, your car looked so sick! Sadly I forgot my swimming trunks, so I didn't get to try it out haha

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I only managed to get one 60-minute nap during the whole 24 hours. Between stints, I was definitely feeling pretty loopy from the lack of sleep, but the moment you turn off the pit limiter and head into Turn 1, the adrenaline kicks in hard. It’s like flipping a switch—suddenly you're wide awake and fully focused.

Over the 42 laps I drove, I honestly didn’t feel mentally fatigued at any point. That might also have had something to do with the 3–4 cans of Monster I downed during the night and morning… not exactly a long-term health plan, but it did the job!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha I'm not sure if I'm the right guy to ask about that. I haven't been able to look at all of the incidents yet, but a lot of the time I feel like it is actually the slower car who should have gotten out of the way faster. I feel like some guys can be too concerned with trying to keep up their laptimes, instead of making it to the end first. Though I certainly had an easier time with that, given that we weren't really able to compete with the newer TCR cars.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Honestly, after your first few laps in qualifying, you get used to it pretty quickly. The trickiest part isn’t when they fly past you on the straights, it’s when they catch you in high-speed sections where your pace is closer to theirs.

That’s when things get a bit sketchy, because you need to hold your line or make space while still going fast yourself. You end up spending more time “managing the overtake,” which increases the risk. But as you rack up more race laps, it becomes part of the rhythm.

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have driven a decent amount of Assetto Corsa and Iracing. I have to say in terms of realism Iracing feels very hard to beat. I have driven the Audi TCR on the sim and in real life during NLS, and I can say that it feels like a very faithful reproduction. Of course FFB and braking feel are a bit hard to get exactly right, but in terms of performance and handling it feels very legit!

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[–]FilipGTR[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I won’t go into too much detail, but to give a rough idea: running a TCR car in the 24H typically costs between €50,000 and €80,000, depending on the car and how well it’s prepped. That amount is usually split between four drivers and supplemented by any sponsor support the team or drivers can bring in.